RE: Who's Hiring H-1B Visa Workers? Not Microsoft or Google, butoffshore-outsourcing firms

It would be interesting to see a show of hands of those who have been
replaced by an H-1B worker imported by an outsourcing company.

Paul Nelson
Cell 708-670-6978
Office 512-392-2577
nelsonp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx

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[mailto:midrange-nontech-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of John Jones
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The white collar worker began when 'Personnel' became 'Human Resources'.
That was the point at which management saw us as no more valuable than a
hunk of ore or a screwdriver. Just another material to be acquired,
consumed, and discarded.


On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 2:21 PM, John Brandt <pgmr@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Very nicely put. I could not have said it better.
Thanks Buck.

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[mailto:midrange-nontech-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Buck Calabro
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This analogy illustrates the problem. Why does an employer entertain
the belief that he can replace a Cadillac with several Yugos? Because
he believes that we are typists, not skilled professionals.

No one with an ounce of sense would remotely conceive of replacing one
skilled Cadillac neurosurgeon with a handful of Yugo interns. We
ourselves play into the hands of the 'cheapest is best' crowd when we
allow ourselves to be referred to in these dehumanised and objectified
terms.

I am not a Cadillac. I am not a 'human resource' to be managed lest I
accidentally mistype something. I am a skilled, IBM software
professional. Measuring my work product in words per minute, LOC or
number of check-ins is as stupid as measuring a neursurgeon's work
product by stitch count. Almost all of my work is accomplished without
any typing at all - my work is *thinking*, not typing and if my employer
doesn't believe that then I am a candidate to be replaced by cheap
labour. I am a problem solver and so are you, and if we want to remain
employed in this field, we need to make that crystal clear to those who
sign the checks.

--buck

On 5/31/2013 11:48 AM, Paul Nelson wrote:

Nowadays, employers are buying several Yugos with different equipment

for

less than the price of one Cadillac that has all the options.

And somebody besides the employer is picking up the tab for the

"maintenance

contract", AKA your benefits package.

Paul Nelson
Cell 708-670-6978
Office 512-392-2577
nelsonp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx

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[mailto:midrange-nontech-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Buck Calabro
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2013 9:43 AM
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Subject: Re: Who's Hiring H-1B Visa Workers? Not Microsoft or Google,
butoffshore-outsourcing firms

Capitalism at, er, work.

Not being an employer myself nor self-employed, the only defence I have
against being treated like a grade 1 bolt that can type is to
continuously sell my skill set - and my platform's skill set - to my
employer.

It's going to take much more than slacktivism to overcome the political
power of big business.
--buck

On 5/31/2013 8:30 AM, TheBorg wrote:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2013/05/28/h1b-visa-high-tech-workers-

afl-cio-editorials-debates/2367769/

[...]

Policy proposals from multinational corporations often come with slick,
poll-tested rhetoric. It is always worth digging deeper.
And the more you dig into the idea that we need to hugely expand the
number of employer-based temporary worker visas for tech companies, the
more you uncover the truth: This is about powerful companies pursuing
lower wages.

[...]


"Eric Lehti" wrote in message
news:mailman.1667.1365559066.7202.midrange-nontech@xxxxxxxxxxxx...

Who's Hiring H-1B Visa Workers? Not Microsoft or Google, but
offshore-outsourcing firms are

http://www.npr.org/blogs/alltechconsidered/2013/04/03/176134694/Whos-Hir

ing-H1-B-Visa-Workers-Its-Not-Who-You-Might-Think

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