Re:

It was an old discussion about the ethics of programmers being told by
management to make changes that could be construed as being marginally
illegal, and who is legally responsible.

Alan must have flagged that old thread and is just now getting around
to commenting on it.

On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 9:13 AM, Mike <koldark@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

What am I missing here? What spawned this conversations?



On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 10:53 PM, cfuture <cfuture@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> I count myself tremendously and hugely blessed that I've never been
> asked to do something illegal or even in my view unethical. And not only
> that, I've never seen illegal doings that came up to the level of
> reporting.
>
> > There is a fiduciary responsibility associated with various
> professionals.If your company is doing stuff that you think is illegal, you
> first have an obligation to bring this to the attention of management. If
> management does not take action that you feel is appropriate, then your next
> responsibility is to figure out if there is a government agency you need to
> be a whistleblower to report the activity. If you do not report it, and the
> government later finds out, investigates, there is the presumption that you
> should have known about it, should have reported it.
> >
> Pretty much it, except when it's the government that is doing it.. Or
> often certain functionaries therein..
>
> > Actions to cause global warming are not yet considered to be illegal.
> There was a lady in Newfoundland (or Nova Scotia?) a few years back that
> got fined three thousand dollars for failing to put her recycling out
> properly... There was a guy in I think Louisiana who was fined big
> whopping money, thousands, for filling in "wetlands", because he
> recovered a water hole that he himself had dug. (These are true stories,
> not making them up)
>
> But changing the official records of historical temperature measurement
> to support the "global warming" story, by NASA, in official government
> documents, is not illegal.
>
> > However. this sort of thing can vary across international boundaries.
> ...
> Which is why you'll never hear the end of it, because it is a good
> excuse for more NWO socialism..
>
> > I am pretty sure that being a witness to a crime is not. in itself, a
> crime. Is there any law that makes it a criminal offense to not report a
> crime?
> I'm pretty sure there's not, but at some point of knowledge there must
> be something, because I always used to hear about "accessory to a crime"
> and "accessory to the crime after the fact" or something like that.
>
> If you lie to a state prosecutor, in many states if not all, they get
> you for some charge. They never even found any real evidence at all that
> got Martha Stewart ever did the deed for which they were purportedly
> after her for, but what they got her for, after days and days and who
> knows how many hours of questioning her, was that one detail was
> different between one telling and another about one phone conversation
> with a broker.
>
> I think it was Virginia (one of those states suffering from political
> pollution), where they were recently trying to pass a law that would
> require computer operators and technicians to report anything fishy,
> under penalty of criminal law.
>
> Doctors, nurses, and all the people who are professionally involved with
> children are required by law to report /any.suspicion.of.possibility/ of
> child abuse.
>
> Recently in Florida, (and most states) a social worker is susceptible to
> criminal charges if they fail to take a child away from parents and
> anything later happens to the child.
>
> (On the other hand, Those social workers are legally immune if they take
> the child away on the flimsiest of basis.)
>
> ................
>
> Banks are required to report all transactions over ten thousand dollars
> to government agencies, whether it is criminal or not, purportedly to
> uncover "money laundering".
>
> But they are also required to report _/any/_ suspicious activities by
> any customers, and not only that, federal law now requires them to /ask
> questions/ of their customers about what they do. Almost all the bank
> officers and tellers I deal with are just plain friendly and respond to
> decent treatment, but my main problem is that one now may wonder why
> someone is a little "too inquisitive".
>
> Sarbaney-Oxley is another case of requirements for corporations to
> maintain a store of records and documents that can serve as evidence
> against its own officials --and maybe employees-- in case the government
> should investigate.
>
> So that's an example of reporting /in case somebody might/ commit a crime.
>
> Yeah I'm sick of hearing about it to. (But I also tired of closing my
> ears)
>
> --Alan
>
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