I'm not going to spend a lot of time on this, because in general the
discussion is idiotic. The "global economists" generally misunderstand even
the basic arithmetic taught in grade school, much less any sort of economic
theory, and a couple of things need to be pointed out.

First, the idea of "spreading the global wealth" is moronic, and it
completely misses one of the major points: the world is breeding itself into
desolation. Taking the standard of living of some 300 million people
spreading it over six BILLION people -- that's simply giving each person one
twentieth of what an American has. I wonder if a SINGLE PERSON in, say, the
United Kingdom is willing to live on 1/20th of an average American's salary.

No, spreading the wealth is simply shorthand for "take what America has away
and give it to the third world while we in Europe watch".

The correct answer for anybody with better than a sixth grade understanding
of economics is that each country must RAISE ITS OWN STANDARD OF LIVING.
Not by taking earnings from other countries, but by reducing its population
growth and by increasing its production of basic goods. Outsourcing does
not create new wealth, it merely shifts it (while giving the outsourcing
companies a significant cut).

Anyway, I won't spend further time on this. I've given up on COMMON, and if
its ranking members think it makes sense to put a man on the board whose
primary goal in life is reducing American employment, then it's clear I am
absolutely right in so doing.

Joe


-----Original Message-----
From: midrange-nontech-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:midrange-nontech-
bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Dan
Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2007 4:06 PM
To: Non-Technical Discussion about the AS400 / iSeries
Subject: Re: It's election time for COMMON again. He's baaaaaaaaaaack.

On 7/26/07, Trevor Perry <trevor@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Paul,

Whatever you think, outsourcing is not going to go away because we
stopped
one guy from contributing at COMMON. And from what I have seen, Rajan
has
a
willingness to contribute - something rare in a world of poor-me and
what-is-in-it-for-me.

From their site: "MindTree is a multi-cultural, multinational
organization."
I know you have been personally affected by outsourcing, and that makes
you
less open to a global world. But wouldn't the world be a better place if
we
stopped all this "USA is better - go home" stuff?


That is not my perspective. My perspective is that Rajan, by the very
nature of his business, would like to take my job away, as well as
thousands
more belonging to my colleagues-in-arms across the country, and send them
to
India. Is this who I want representing me at COMMON?

Is Rajan (and his company) the problem? I think he/they are part of the
problem, but the blame can go to the short-sighted corporate bean counters
here in the U.S. I've said this before, and I'll say it again, I'll
"accept" off-shoring the day that corporate big-wigs allow their own jobs
to
be outsourced to India. This is not unimaginable, given the Dilbert-esque
manager stories that tend to dominate the business news. Imagine the
*huge*
savings that would make for corporations.

Right now, India's
standard of living is improving - but they have got a long way to go to
catch up to what we are lucky to have in America.


"Lucky"? That is total BS, Trevor, this country earned its prosperity
fair
and square.

Spreading the global
wealth means more people - on the planet - will have more.


And we will have less, make no mistake about that. We are quickly moving
towards a two-class citizenship, eliminating the middle class, which for
the
most part will fall into the lower class. Someone tell me how this is
good
for the United States in the long term.

How did we ever decide that we should enrich other nations' citizens at
our
expense? What other country on this planet does this? Wasn't our status
as
the world's most generous citizenship enough? Apparently, some believe we
should just eliminate all borders and let the U.N. govern everyone,
everywhere in a perfect socialist world.

No, "outsourcing is not going to go away because we stopped one guy from
contributing at COMMON." But I do not want someone whose job it is to
move
mine to India to represent me. Otherwise, a vote for him is an
endorsement
of that practice.

Sorry you don't see it that way. If you haven't lived through it, you
will
have a different perspective than those of us who have.

- Dan
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