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RE: Microsoft goes after the iSeries


Future play of conversation:

>Got an email from him this morning to call him.
"Chuck!  Quit emailing me these forum postings!!!!" - Malcolm Haines   


<grin> 

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 2:40 PM
To: 'Non-Technical Discussion about the AS400 / iSeries'
Subject: RE: Microsoft goes after the iSeries

Yep. I've been forwarding a lot of this stuff to him. Got an email from
him this morning to call him.

Chuck

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Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 1:23 PM
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Subject: Microsoft goes after the iSeries

Don't forget Malcolm Haines is always a good one to email .... 

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   1. Re: Microsoft goes after the iSeries (Mike.Crump@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx)
   2. RE: Microsoft goes after the iSeries (Walden H. Leverich)
   3. RE: Microsoft goes after the iSeries (Bartell, Aaron L.)
   4. RE: Microsoft goes after the iSeries (Walden H. Leverich)
   5. RE: Microsoft goes after the iSeries (Walden H. Leverich)


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message: 1
date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 16:35:34 -0500
from: Mike.Crump@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
subject: Re: Microsoft goes after the iSeries


Should be shearerm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx

At least per this document......his proper name must be something other
than Mark.......

https://www-926.ibm.com/events/avcf/03avcf.nsf/LookupElementsPDF/contact
s/$F
ILE/innovation_forum_ibm_contacts.pdf?openelement







 
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How? He doesn't show up here:

http://www.ibm.com/contact/employees/us/


Paul Nelson
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You might send Mark Shearer an email

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message: 1
date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 11:12:00 -0500
from: Mike.Crump@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
subject: Re: Microsoft goes after the iSeries


I think I'll extend my boycott of California Software products to ASNA.
While I'm all for alternative programming environments I struggle with a
number of inaccurate statements being made within the Midrange Alliance.

I'll repeat my position that with the i5 and the standard or value
license
the iSeries is not the most expensive system and when you add all the
manpower issues around MS 2003 server, SQL server, disk storage, etc.
it
is the most affordable system.  Assuming you are a small, medium, or
large
customer running an enterprise environment it is improper to assume that
the iSeries is more expensive.

Now, with IBM's pricing charge of the 5250 tax it is possible to save
money
with a Wintel solution.......

1.)  I think IBM needs to revisit it's licensing practices - including
hardware maintenance......why give anyone an opening like that......?

2.)  I think IBM needs to respond aggressively to this garbage......

Do you think Mark Shearer is listening to this stuff?












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message: 2
date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 11:36:43 -0600
from: "Bartell, Aaron L." <ALBartell@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
subject: RE: Microsoft goes after the iSeries

 >Now, with IBM's pricing charge of the 5250 tax it is possible to save
money with a Wintel solution.......

Their pricing is perfectly aligned with the direction they are going.
They want you to go Java and Websphere, and what better way to do that
than to keep interactive pricing high.  We are pricing out two new i5
boxes of medium size, and being that our new software development
approach is not using 5250 we can practically cut out the interactive
charge.  THIS CUTS THE PRICE OF THE BOX AND SOFTWARE IN HALF!!




-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:midrange-nontech-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2005 10:12 AM
To: Non-Technical Discussion about the AS400 / iSeries
Subject: Re: Microsoft goes after the iSeries


I think I'll extend my boycott of California Software products to ASNA.
While I'm all for alternative programming environments I struggle with a
number of inaccurate statements being made within the Midrange Alliance.

I'll repeat my position that with the i5 and the standard or value
license the iSeries is not the most expensive system and when you add
all the manpower issues around MS 2003 server, SQL server, disk storage,
etc.  it is the most affordable system.  Assuming you are a small,
medium, or large customer running an enterprise environment it is
improper to assume that the iSeries is more expensive.

Now, with IBM's pricing charge of the 5250 tax it is possible to save
money with a Wintel solution.......

1.)  I think IBM needs to revisit it's licensing practices - including
hardware maintenance......why give anyone an opening like that......?

2.)  I think IBM needs to respond aggressively to this garbage......

Do you think Mark Shearer is listening to this stuff?










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message: 2
date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 17:06:05 -0500
from: "Walden H. Leverich" <WaldenL@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
subject: RE: Microsoft goes after the iSeries

>We don't pay $3,000 per
>developer for our IDE and supporting plugins. 

How in the world do you get $3000 for MS's IDE? What "supporting
plugins" are you adding here?

-Walden


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message: 3
date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 16:12:44 -0600
from: "Bartell, Aaron L." <ALBartell@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
subject: RE: Microsoft goes after the iSeries

MSDN License.  I am not a .NET developer so I didn't know what else to
call them except for "plugins" :-P  Sorry for the confusion.  I have
only seen the numbers and have a small understanding of what is
included.  All I know is that when we did a couple of Java projects, we
didn't have to buy anything for our developers unless we felt EJB's were
in order. 

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Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2005 4:06 PM
To: Non-Technical Discussion about the AS400 / iSeries
Subject: RE: Microsoft goes after the iSeries

>We don't pay $3,000 per
>developer for our IDE and supporting plugins. 

How in the world do you get $3000 for MS's IDE? What "supporting
plugins" are you adding here?

-Walden


------------
Walden H Leverich III
President & CEO
Tech Software
(516) 627-3800 x11
WaldenL@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
http://www.TechSoftInc.com

Quiquid latine dictum sit altum viditur.
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message: 4
date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 17:43:03 -0500
from: "Walden H. Leverich" <WaldenL@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
subject: RE: Microsoft goes after the iSeries

Wow, what did you do, buy an MSDN Universal license for each developer?

That get's you the developer tools, yes (the enterprise versions even),
but it also gets you every OS (workstation and server), every Office
version, Visio, all the servers (SQL, Exchange, Content, Speech, SMS,
etc.), the applications (Navision, Great Plains, etc.) and a bunch of
other stuff. Basically you get everything MS makes that doesn't come
from the entertainment side of the business (no games <FROWN>). 

Keep in mind, .NET itself is FREE! You can download the runtime and the
SDK including compilers from MS for free. If you want a decent IDE you
can get one of those for free too (see WebMatrix) -- and I'd be
surprised if someone hasn't built a .NET view for Eclipse. 

A "standard" developer would want to run VS.NET Professional, which
IIRC, costs ~600.

-Walden



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President & CEO
Tech Software
(516) 627-3800 x11
WaldenL@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
http://www.TechSoftInc.com

Quiquid latine dictum sit altum viditur.
(Whatever is said in Latin seems profound.)
 


-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:midrange-nontech-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Bartell,
Aaron L.
Sent: Tuesday, 11 January, 2005 17:13
To: Non-Technical Discussion about the AS400 / iSeries
Subject: RE: Microsoft goes after the iSeries

MSDN License.  I am not a .NET developer so I didn't know what else to
call them except for "plugins" :-P  Sorry for the confusion.  I have
only seen the numbers and have a small understanding of what is
included.  All I know is that when we did a couple of Java projects, we
didn't have to buy anything for our developers unless we felt EJB's were
in order. 

-----Original Message-----
From: midrange-nontech-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:midrange-nontech-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2005 4:06 PM
To: Non-Technical Discussion about the AS400 / iSeries
Subject: RE: Microsoft goes after the iSeries

>We don't pay $3,000 per
>developer for our IDE and supporting plugins. 

How in the world do you get $3000 for MS's IDE? What "supporting
plugins" are you adding here?

-Walden


------------
Walden H Leverich III
President & CEO
Tech Software
(516) 627-3800 x11
WaldenL@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
http://www.TechSoftInc.com

Quiquid latine dictum sit altum viditur.
(Whatever is said in Latin seems profound.)
 


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message: 5
date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 17:44:40 -0500
from: "Walden H. Leverich" <WaldenL@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
subject: RE: Microsoft goes after the iSeries

Oh, and if you did buy each one an MSDN license I hope you bought their
PCs withOUT an operating system or office, since the MSDN license allows
you to run the OS and Office.

-Walden 


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