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Yep. I've been forwarding a lot of this stuff to him. Got an email from him this morning to call him. Chuck -----Original Message----- From: midrange-nontech-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:midrange-nontech-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of ALucas@xxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 1:23 PM To: midrange-nontech@xxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Microsoft goes after the iSeries Don't forget Malcolm Haines is always a good one to email .... ************************** Have a blessed day! Anne C Lucas Customer Account Executive Genisys Group Inc, an IBM Business Partner Work 205-823-4831 Mobile 205-746-6850 eFax 615-250-4889 www.teamggi.com midrange-nontech-request@xxxxxxxxxxxx Sent by: midrange-nontech-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx 01/12/2005 12:00 PM Please respond to midrange-nontech@xxxxxxxxxxxx To midrange-nontech@xxxxxxxxxxxx cc Subject Midrange-NonTech Digest, Vol 3, Issue 3 Send Midrange-NonTech mailing list submissions to midrange-nontech@xxxxxxxxxxxx To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.midrange.com/mailman/listinfo/midrange-nontech or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to midrange-nontech-request@xxxxxxxxxxxx You can reach the person managing the list at midrange-nontech-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxx When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Midrange-NonTech digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Microsoft goes after the iSeries (Mike.Crump@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx) 2. RE: Microsoft goes after the iSeries (Walden H. Leverich) 3. RE: Microsoft goes after the iSeries (Bartell, Aaron L.) 4. RE: Microsoft goes after the iSeries (Walden H. Leverich) 5. RE: Microsoft goes after the iSeries (Walden H. Leverich) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- message: 1 date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 16:35:34 -0500 from: Mike.Crump@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx subject: Re: Microsoft goes after the iSeries Should be shearerm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx At least per this document......his proper name must be something other than Mark....... https://www-926.ibm.com/events/avcf/03avcf.nsf/LookupElementsPDF/contacts/$F ILE/innovation_forum_ibm_contacts.pdf?openelement pnelson@xxxxxxxxx m To 01/11/2005 04:19 Non-Technical Discussion about the PM AS400 / iSeries <midrange-nontech@xxxxxxxxxxxx> cc Please respond to Non-Technical Subject Discussion about Re: Microsoft goes after the the AS400 / iSeries iSeries <midrange-nontech @midrange.com> How? He doesn't show up here: http://www.ibm.com/contact/employees/us/ Paul Nelson Arbor Solutions, Inc. 708-670-6978 Cell pnelson@xxxxxxxxxx ALucas@xxxxxxxxxxx Sent by: midrange-nontech-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx 01/11/2005 02:55 PM Please respond to Non-Technical Discussion about the AS400 / iSeries To: midrange-nontech@xxxxxxxxxxxx cc: Subject: Microsoft goes after the iSeries You might send Mark Shearer an email ************************** Have a blessed day! Anne C Lucas Customer Account Executive Genisys Group Inc, an IBM Business Partner Work 205-823-4831 Mobile 205-746-6850 eFax 615-250-4889 www.teamggi.com Send Midrange-NonTech mailing list submissions to midrange-nontech@xxxxxxxxxxxx To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.midrange.com/mailman/listinfo/midrange-nontech or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to midrange-nontech-request@xxxxxxxxxxxx You can reach the person managing the list at midrange-nontech-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxx When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Midrange-NonTech digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Microsoft goes after the iSeries (Mike.Crump@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx) 2. RE: Microsoft goes after the iSeries (Bartell, Aaron L.) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- message: 1 date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 11:12:00 -0500 from: Mike.Crump@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx subject: Re: Microsoft goes after the iSeries I think I'll extend my boycott of California Software products to ASNA. While I'm all for alternative programming environments I struggle with a number of inaccurate statements being made within the Midrange Alliance. I'll repeat my position that with the i5 and the standard or value license the iSeries is not the most expensive system and when you add all the manpower issues around MS 2003 server, SQL server, disk storage, etc. it is the most affordable system. Assuming you are a small, medium, or large customer running an enterprise environment it is improper to assume that the iSeries is more expensive. Now, with IBM's pricing charge of the 5250 tax it is possible to save money with a Wintel solution....... 1.) I think IBM needs to revisit it's licensing practices - including hardware maintenance......why give anyone an opening like that......? 2.) I think IBM needs to respond aggressively to this garbage...... Do you think Mark Shearer is listening to this stuff? ------------------------------ message: 2 date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 11:36:43 -0600 from: "Bartell, Aaron L." <ALBartell@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> subject: RE: Microsoft goes after the iSeries >Now, with IBM's pricing charge of the 5250 tax it is possible to save money with a Wintel solution....... Their pricing is perfectly aligned with the direction they are going. They want you to go Java and Websphere, and what better way to do that than to keep interactive pricing high. We are pricing out two new i5 boxes of medium size, and being that our new software development approach is not using 5250 we can practically cut out the interactive charge. THIS CUTS THE PRICE OF THE BOX AND SOFTWARE IN HALF!! -----Original Message----- From: midrange-nontech-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:midrange-nontech-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2005 10:12 AM To: Non-Technical Discussion about the AS400 / iSeries Subject: Re: Microsoft goes after the iSeries I think I'll extend my boycott of California Software products to ASNA. While I'm all for alternative programming environments I struggle with a number of inaccurate statements being made within the Midrange Alliance. I'll repeat my position that with the i5 and the standard or value license the iSeries is not the most expensive system and when you add all the manpower issues around MS 2003 server, SQL server, disk storage, etc. it is the most affordable system. Assuming you are a small, medium, or large customer running an enterprise environment it is improper to assume that the iSeries is more expensive. Now, with IBM's pricing charge of the 5250 tax it is possible to save money with a Wintel solution....... 1.) I think IBM needs to revisit it's licensing practices - including hardware maintenance......why give anyone an opening like that......? 2.) I think IBM needs to respond aggressively to this garbage...... Do you think Mark Shearer is listening to this stuff? -- This is the Non-Technical Discussion about the AS400 / iSeries (Midrange-NonTech) mailing list To post a message email: Midrange-NonTech@xxxxxxxxxxxx To subscribe, unsubscribe, or change list options, visit: http://lists.midrange.com/mailman/listinfo/midrange-nontech or email: Midrange-NonTech-request@xxxxxxxxxxxx Before posting, please take a moment to review the archives at http://archive.midrange.com/midrange-nontech. ------------------------------ -- This is the Non-Technical Discussion about the AS400 / iSeries (Midrange-NonTech) digest list To post a message email: Midrange-NonTech@xxxxxxxxxxxx To subscribe, unsubscribe, or change list options, visit: http://lists.midrange.com/mailman/listinfo/midrange-nontech or email: Midrange-NonTech-request@xxxxxxxxxxxx Before posting, please take a moment to review the archives at http://archive.midrange.com/midrange-nontech. End of Midrange-NonTech Digest, Vol 3, Issue 1 ********************************************** -- This is the Non-Technical Discussion about the AS400 / iSeries (Midrange-NonTech) mailing list To post a message email: Midrange-NonTech@xxxxxxxxxxxx To subscribe, unsubscribe, or change list options, visit: http://lists.midrange.com/mailman/listinfo/midrange-nontech or email: Midrange-NonTech-request@xxxxxxxxxxxx Before posting, please take a moment to review the archives at http://archive.midrange.com/midrange-nontech. -- This is the Non-Technical Discussion about the AS400 / iSeries (Midrange-NonTech) mailing list To post a message email: Midrange-NonTech@xxxxxxxxxxxx To subscribe, unsubscribe, or change list options, visit: http://lists.midrange.com/mailman/listinfo/midrange-nontech or email: Midrange-NonTech-request@xxxxxxxxxxxx Before posting, please take a moment to review the archives at http://archive.midrange.com/midrange-nontech. ------------------------------ message: 2 date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 17:06:05 -0500 from: "Walden H. Leverich" <WaldenL@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> subject: RE: Microsoft goes after the iSeries >We don't pay $3,000 per >developer for our IDE and supporting plugins. How in the world do you get $3000 for MS's IDE? What "supporting plugins" are you adding here? -Walden ------------ Walden H Leverich III President & CEO Tech Software (516) 627-3800 x11 WaldenL@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx http://www.TechSoftInc.com Quiquid latine dictum sit altum viditur. (Whatever is said in Latin seems profound.) ------------------------------ message: 3 date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 16:12:44 -0600 from: "Bartell, Aaron L." <ALBartell@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> subject: RE: Microsoft goes after the iSeries MSDN License. I am not a .NET developer so I didn't know what else to call them except for "plugins" :-P Sorry for the confusion. I have only seen the numbers and have a small understanding of what is included. All I know is that when we did a couple of Java projects, we didn't have to buy anything for our developers unless we felt EJB's were in order. -----Original Message----- From: midrange-nontech-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:midrange-nontech-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2005 4:06 PM To: Non-Technical Discussion about the AS400 / iSeries Subject: RE: Microsoft goes after the iSeries >We don't pay $3,000 per >developer for our IDE and supporting plugins. How in the world do you get $3000 for MS's IDE? What "supporting plugins" are you adding here? -Walden ------------ Walden H Leverich III President & CEO Tech Software (516) 627-3800 x11 WaldenL@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx http://www.TechSoftInc.com Quiquid latine dictum sit altum viditur. (Whatever is said in Latin seems profound.) -- This is the Non-Technical Discussion about the AS400 / iSeries (Midrange-NonTech) mailing list To post a message email: Midrange-NonTech@xxxxxxxxxxxx To subscribe, unsubscribe, or change list options, visit: http://lists.midrange.com/mailman/listinfo/midrange-nontech or email: Midrange-NonTech-request@xxxxxxxxxxxx Before posting, please take a moment to review the archives at http://archive.midrange.com/midrange-nontech. ------------------------------ message: 4 date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 17:43:03 -0500 from: "Walden H. Leverich" <WaldenL@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> subject: RE: Microsoft goes after the iSeries Wow, what did you do, buy an MSDN Universal license for each developer? That get's you the developer tools, yes (the enterprise versions even), but it also gets you every OS (workstation and server), every Office version, Visio, all the servers (SQL, Exchange, Content, Speech, SMS, etc.), the applications (Navision, Great Plains, etc.) and a bunch of other stuff. Basically you get everything MS makes that doesn't come from the entertainment side of the business (no games <FROWN>). Keep in mind, .NET itself is FREE! You can download the runtime and the SDK including compilers from MS for free. If you want a decent IDE you can get one of those for free too (see WebMatrix) -- and I'd be surprised if someone hasn't built a .NET view for Eclipse. A "standard" developer would want to run VS.NET Professional, which IIRC, costs ~600. -Walden ------------ Walden H Leverich III President & CEO Tech Software (516) 627-3800 x11 WaldenL@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx http://www.TechSoftInc.com Quiquid latine dictum sit altum viditur. (Whatever is said in Latin seems profound.) -----Original Message----- From: midrange-nontech-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:midrange-nontech-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Bartell, Aaron L. Sent: Tuesday, 11 January, 2005 17:13 To: Non-Technical Discussion about the AS400 / iSeries Subject: RE: Microsoft goes after the iSeries MSDN License. I am not a .NET developer so I didn't know what else to call them except for "plugins" :-P Sorry for the confusion. I have only seen the numbers and have a small understanding of what is included. All I know is that when we did a couple of Java projects, we didn't have to buy anything for our developers unless we felt EJB's were in order. -----Original Message----- From: midrange-nontech-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:midrange-nontech-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2005 4:06 PM To: Non-Technical Discussion about the AS400 / iSeries Subject: RE: Microsoft goes after the iSeries >We don't pay $3,000 per >developer for our IDE and supporting plugins. How in the world do you get $3000 for MS's IDE? What "supporting plugins" are you adding here? -Walden ------------ Walden H Leverich III President & CEO Tech Software (516) 627-3800 x11 WaldenL@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx http://www.TechSoftInc.com Quiquid latine dictum sit altum viditur. (Whatever is said in Latin seems profound.) -- This is the Non-Technical Discussion about the AS400 / iSeries (Midrange-NonTech) mailing list To post a message email: Midrange-NonTech@xxxxxxxxxxxx To subscribe, unsubscribe, or change list options, visit: http://lists.midrange.com/mailman/listinfo/midrange-nontech or email: Midrange-NonTech-request@xxxxxxxxxxxx Before posting, please take a moment to review the archives at http://archive.midrange.com/midrange-nontech. -- This is the Non-Technical Discussion about the AS400 / iSeries (Midrange-NonTech) mailing list To post a message email: Midrange-NonTech@xxxxxxxxxxxx To subscribe, unsubscribe, or change list options, visit: http://lists.midrange.com/mailman/listinfo/midrange-nontech or email: Midrange-NonTech-request@xxxxxxxxxxxx Before posting, please take a moment to review the archives at http://archive.midrange.com/midrange-nontech. ------------------------------ message: 5 date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 17:44:40 -0500 from: "Walden H. Leverich" <WaldenL@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> subject: RE: Microsoft goes after the iSeries Oh, and if you did buy each one an MSDN license I hope you bought their PCs withOUT an operating system or office, since the MSDN license allows you to run the OS and Office. -Walden ------------ Walden H Leverich III President & CEO Tech Software (516) 627-3800 x11 WaldenL@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx http://www.TechSoftInc.com Quiquid latine dictum sit altum viditur. (Whatever is said in Latin seems profound.) ------------------------------ -- This is the Non-Technical Discussion about the AS400 / iSeries (Midrange-NonTech) digest list To post a message email: Midrange-NonTech@xxxxxxxxxxxx To subscribe, unsubscribe, or change list options, visit: http://lists.midrange.com/mailman/listinfo/midrange-nontech or email: Midrange-NonTech-request@xxxxxxxxxxxx Before posting, please take a moment to review the archives at http://archive.midrange.com/midrange-nontech. 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