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Alan I'm not out to convince you or anyone else. Your future is in your hands. Have fun with it. I have read enough on both sides of this issue for the last two years to know where I stand. If this is the first you heard of it, and Wolfathedoor is the only site you have visited, I will weigh that in judging your opinion. You want to talk about; Coal Bed Methane? Hydrogen? It's a joke. It is a energy conduit not a source(it's a net energy sink as a matter of fact, ie it takes more to make it than it produces) Oil Shale? Tar Sands? Methane Hydrates? Pipelines thru Georgia? Thru The 'Stans? Been there, read it. You want to know the current reserve amount of oil under Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Caspian, North Sea? I know them off the top of my head. Which estimate would you like? By which source? I have read ... Lets say more than a few articles on this. So, Don't you worry your little head about it Alan. Everything is going to be fine. "They" will think of something to keep your SUV's or whatever you have running. Alan, Here's a 'Couple of links'. These are a few of what I have read. When you are done doing the minimum amount of research I'll talk to ya, Till then. You better watch your Nat Gas Price. It will be Double digits before spring. Again, If this is the first you have read, Please don't waste my time. Most Respectfully John Carr ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Fun Facts to know and tell: Annual Oil Consumption = about one cubic mile In everyday "English" units, 1997 total world oil consumption of 26.7 billion barrels was the equivalent of just over one cubic mile of oil: Global oil use = 26.7 billion barrels per year (1997) One barrel oil = 42 U.S. gallons One cubic foot = 7.48 U.S. gallons One cubic mile = 147.2 billion cubic feet So, (billions of barrels per year times gallons per barrel) divided by (gallons per cubic foot times billions of cubic feet per cubic mile) equals (26.7 x 42) / (7.48 x 147.2) cubic miles, or = 1.02 cubic miles of oil during 1997. Estimated worldwide oil reserves at the beginning of 2002 = 35 cubic miles. US Geological Survey petroleum geologist, Les Magoon http://www.oilcrisis.com/magoon/ http://geopubs.wr.usgs.gov/open-file/of00-320/ ------------- Alan You probably speak with more authorith than these guys. http://www.hubbertpeak.com/experts/ Here's graphs of every oil producing country, their peak, Their total production, etc. Read the whole thing. Take a look at what the conclusions are. It was done in 1998. http://www.dieoff.com/page133.htm Read these real close if you use natural gas. Matt is an Energy Investment Banker and is the CEO of the world's largest Energy Investment Bank, Simmons & Company International. Its clients include Halliburton; Baker, Botts, LLP; Dynegy; Kerr-McGee; and the World Bank. Simmons is a member of the Council on Foreign Relations and serves on the National Petroleum Council's Natural Gas Task Force. (Ya, and he was on Cheney's Energy Task Force too.) Read this first one very slow (notice what he says about Saudi Arabia at the end) http://solutions.synearth.net/2003/08/23 The orginial http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/082103_blackout_summary.html http://www.simmonsco-intl.com/files/HBS-Houston%20Club.pdf http://www.simmonsco-intl.com/files/HBS-Houston%20Club.pdf http://www.simmonsco-intl.com/files/IAEE%20Mini%20Conf.pdf http://www.simmonsco-intl.com/files/Natural%20Gas%20Summit.pdf http://www.simmonsco-intl.com/research.aspx?Type=news ---------------- Andrew Weissman is talking here. His resume is in the first paragraph. http://www.financialsense.com/editorials/powers/2004/0104.html http://www.forbes.com/business/newswire/2003/12/08/rtr1173758.html http://www.museletter.com/archive/135.html http://www.museletter.com/partys-over.html http://pub38.ezboard.com/fdownstreamventurespetroleummarkets.showMessage?topicID=8174.topic http://www.guardian.co.uk/print/0,3858,4809694-110373,00.html Make sure you read the notes under the slide. http://www.postcarbon.org/info/2003/06/JulianDarley.DC-CSIS.NatGasCrisis.2003-06-17_files/frame.htm http://www.globalpublicmedia.com/SECTIONS/ENERGY/oil.depletion.php Make sure you read the 3rd one. http://www.energypulse.net/centers/article/article_display.cfm?a_id=557 http://www.energypulse.net/centers/article/article_display.cfm?a_id=556 http://www.energypulse.net/centers/article/article_display.cfm?a_id=558 http://pub38.ezboard.com/fdownstreamventurespetroleummarkets.showMessage?topicID=8077.topic http://www.globeandmail.com/servlet/ArticleNews/TPStory/LAC/20031215/RNATURAL15/TPBusiness/MoneyMarkets http://www.stcwa.org.au/papers/data/oil_vuln.doc http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/index-oil_energy.html http://www.rferl.org/nca/features/2002/04/10042002090808.asp >From New Zealand http://www.geocities.com/RunningOnEmptyNZ/ Can ya do without this stuff Alan? http://maguireenergy.cox.smu.edu/resources/learning/LCCh1.html And this is where fertilizer comes from. Natural Gas -> Ammonia http://www.potashcorp.com/npk_markets/industry_overview/factors.zsp Read Truth # 3 on this page http://www.potashcorp.com/npk_markets/industry_overview/the_big_picture/ http://www.alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=17312 And these should do it. http://www.culturechange.org/fall_of_petroleum_civilization.html http://www.geocities.com/RunningOnEmptyNZ/ http://www.culturechange.org/issue19/peakoil.htm http://healthandenergy.com/oil_crisis.htm http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/081803_hydrogen_answers.html http://groups.yahoo.com/group/energyresources/message/45634 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/energyresources/message/44878 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/energyresources/message/45632 http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/062303_nat_gas_crisis.html Reference Sites http://www.dieoff.com/ http://www.fromthewilderness.com http://healthandenergy.com/world%20oil%20and%20gas.htm http://healthandenergy.com/oil_crisis.htm http://www.peakoil.net/ http://www.hubbertpeak.com/ http://www.simmonsco-intl.com/research.aspx?Type=news http://www.geocities.com/RunningOnEmptyNZ/ These are the best two news groups on the subject. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/energyresources/messages http://pub38.ezboard.com/fdownstreamventurespetroleummarkets http://groups.yahoo.com/group/energyresources/message/44407 And some stuff on China China gas stations ration gas oil as demand surges http://pub38.ezboard.com/fdownstreamventurespetroleummarkets.showMessage?topicID=7969.topic http://www.forbes.com/home_europe/newswire/2003/11/17/rtr1149898.html NOTE: in the above article, China gets oil from Africa. Is there a possible problem in the future if Bush and Blair think it's their oil?? UK and US in joint effort to secure African oil http://groups.yahoo.com/group/energyresources/message/44725 The government is helping the US to secure a guaranteed supply of oil from new sources in Africa and elsewhere, official documents obtained by the Guardian reveal. According to an internal memo to George Bush and Tony Blair, cooperation between the two governments has already delivered "immediate... substantial benefits". The decision to act was taken at a private summit at the president's Texas ranch in April last year. http://politics.guardian.co.uk/foreignaffairs/story/0,11538,1084958,00.html -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- - China oil demand outpaces forecasts, imports rocket http://www.forbes.com/markets/commodities/newswire/2003/11/13/rtr1146492.html The Paris-based IEA, the West's energy watchdog, estimated Chinese net imports at 2.79 million barrels per day of crude and refined products in September, up 676,000 bpd on the month. September crude imports rose to 2.21 million bpd from August's 1.52 million bpd with products off just 10,000 bpd at 580,000 bpd. Total net imports in the first three quarters of 2003 averaged 1.99 million bpd, up from 1.61 million bpd for all 2002. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/energyresources/message/44717 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------- China burn rate accelerates China sweetens belligerent US with $6bn jets and limos spree http://www.guardian.co.uk/china/story/0,7369,1084973,00.html http://groups.yahoo.com/group/energyresources/message/44727
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