I taught some courses at a local community college on an AS/400 contributed by IBM as part of the PIE program, until replaced by a laid-off ex-IBMer. Due to some decisions resulting from personal politics relating to the one that headed the (vocational educ) department there, these courses fizzled. They also had some *really* sophisticated IBM CAD-CAM systems, just sitting there! Never used! For years! Sheesh! On the other hand, another one where I taught gave me free reign (without PIE), we went gangbusters successful, and they began using them for the accredited classes. - Alan | Real briefly: As Booth mentioned, IBM has put some resources into the PIE | (Partner's in Education) program. Dunno how much, or if they were | sufficient or whether the cost was still just too high for the colleges and | universities. | However, I don't agree with what Booth says about "Very few students will | even look at it. It doesn't do games. All those kids are thinking one | thought: 'I'm going to write the next great game and get stinking rich.'" | Sure, some kids (and adults, as well) have that attitude and are eagerly | awaiting the rebound of the the dot-com era. I think most have a more | realistic view.