NOT Swift Justice... THOROUGH JUSTICE (was RE: Fwd Afghanistan / Nazis / Victim populations)

Dean,

I'm sorry I can only agree with you in part.

Your view shows why peace-loving peoples of the world must take up arms.  We
don't need permission to attack our enemies, but developing allies to help
us destroy terrorism is the only effective approach.


IMO, you underestimate the enemy.  Hundreds of loose-knit groups, across the
world, with the whole world to hide in.  With weaponry that only armies
possessed a few short years ago.  (Doesn't take much money to possess
weapons of mass destruction, any more.)  With the promise that if they die
for their cause, they go straight to heaven.  To me, they make the kamikazes
of WW II look like geisha girls.

This isn't the kind of thing where you can just cut the head off the snake.
The snake grows two more heads.  Martyrdom just emboldens these "people".


When I analyze the risks:  what if the military gets 98% of 'em...?


The peace-loving people need to run this war because Swift Justice, in my
view, is only going to backfire.

What we need is THOROUGH JUSTICE.  The military kicking the crap out of a
few countries may, or may not, do the job.  You want to take that risk...?!?

That begs the question of whether you want this war to go on for
generations?  Unless the underlying causes are addressed, and they CANNOT be
addressed militarily, and IMO, that's what you're looking at...
Generations...


I'm buying the half of the argument which says we need to have the stomach
to fight our own battles, and that very well might require ground troops.
But only because I'm afraid it may become necessary to destroy some
countries' capital.  So if that country doesn't want to join the civilized
world, they can run their government without the advantages civilization
offers.  To do this, without massive civilian casualites (which would just
embolden the kamikazes even more) might require ground troops.  IMO.


jt


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Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2001 9:02 PM
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Subject: Re: Fwd Afghanistan / Nazis / Victim populations


Alexei,

In a message dated 9/17/01 1:34:30 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
pytel@us.ibm.com writes:

> > Perhaps Justice is served by allying with the Northern Alliance under
>  some UN
>  > Muslim guarantee that the outside forces will withdraw when the Taliban
>  is
>  > vanquished & the nation left in the hands of the Northern Alliance.
>
>  bin Laden was US ally in fighting Soviets in Aphgan war.
>  Are you sure that Nothern Alliance leaders will not turn the same or
worse
>  in the aftermath ?

I agree 120%.  Getting others to fight our "dirty little wars" is a major
reason that the US is hated so badly in the world.  Out of probably 1,000
dictators that ought to be in prison due to their actions under US sanction,
we have _ONE_ -- Noriega.  There is one way, and one way only to finish
this.
 US troops must act, probably die, and ultimately triumph.  No "tin horn"
dictators, no "alliance", no "disinterested third parties".  Just red
blooded
Americans doing what they signed on for -- fighting for freedom.  This will
be no "push button" or "Nintendo" war.  It will be a _REAL_ war where people
get hurt and die for reasons other than running their HumVee too fast across
a sand dune.

While I appreciate the offer of support from the world, _WAR_ has been
declared on the US and we can do whatever we friggin' _WANT_!  Can't use
your
airspace?  Try and _STOP_ us!  Need to form a committee to discuss the use
of
deadly force?  Make sure they're not meeting in the blast zone.  I am
concerned that these "alliances" are only going to lead to every country in
the world tacking their own "dirty little messes" onto the World Trade
Center
bombing, and incinerating peoples that have nothing to do with this thing.
Heck, I'm concerned about elements within our own government doing it.

This is the first time in recent history that civilians not working in
military facilities of the United States of America have been attacked by a
foreign concern.  Pardon _US_ if we don't ask permission to kick the crap
out
of those concerns...

JMHO,

Dean Asmussen
Enterprise Systems Consulting, Inc.
Fuquay-Varina, NC  USA
E-mail:  DAsmussen@aol.com
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