RE: She (SDA/RLU 7.6) loves me she loves me not -- MIDRANGE-L

There is at least one rental car company in this country that still uses the green screen application that was written about 30 years ago. The folks at the counter much prefer it to the GUI interface that they have an option to use.

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Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2025 7:33 AM
To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion <midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: She (SDA/RLU 7.6) loves me she loves me not

Moving to a web interface takes learning new things, but once you lerman it, you will never want to do a green screen program.
Anything you can do on the green screen, you can also do on the web, not so the other way around.
Apart from that the web looks prettier, and it is easier for the users, for the designer and programmer it does not have the size limitations, it allows better data validation (input types like email, dates, colors, regex. javascript, etc.) and very efficient links between applications.
By doing one screen - one program it greatly simplifies maintenance.
You do not need to replace all at once, for the old stuff SEU can do an acceptable work.

On Mon, May 12, 2025 at 3:52 PM Brad Stone <bvstone@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Well maybe it's time for us old fuddy duddy's to retire then. haha.

Or create web interfaces, which means a ****ton more work, and support.
haha.

On Mon, May 12, 2025 at 1:00 PM Jon Paris <jon.paris@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

OMG - too funny.

1) I am not aware of any PL/MI compilers out in the wild.

2) Last time I saw the code there was an awful lot of chewing gum
and bailer twine involved.

Jon Paris
Jon.Paris@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx

On May 12, 2025, at 1:38 PM, Brad Stone <bvstone@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Maybe they should release the SDA code as open source since they
got

behind

it so much. Let the community take care of it.

Barbara, can ya get that done? :)

On Mon, May 12, 2025 at 9:31 AM Jeff Crosby
<jlcrosby@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

wrote:

I'm with you Brad.

On Mon, May 12, 2025 at 10:20 AM Brad Stone <bvstone@xxxxxxxxx>

wrote:

They're literally removing SDA? Wow.... how will people
support

legacy

apps? I can't imagine doing it without SDA.

On Mon, May 12, 2025 at 8:42 AM Vern Hamberg via MIDRANGE-L <
midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

I think you've gawt it, good sah!

I just checked the Memo to Users - it has this -

Support for selected Application Development ToolSet tools
and their associated commands is being
removed. These commands and menu driven screen interfaces
have been removed in IBM i 7.6:

The list includes RLU and SDA.

And this -

Source Entry Utility (SEU) and Programming Development
Manager
(PDM) along with the Interactive
Source Debugger (ISDB) are the only functions that remain
fully supported in IBM Rational Development
Studio for i (5770-WDS) option 21 (Application Development

ToolSet).

Scott Forstie mentioned that he had lobbied for DFU to stay -
it is still there, though no longer supported.

A couple items remain, CMPPFM and MRGSRC, but options removed
from

PDM

-

I think that is 54 and 55. I really liked and used MRGSRC -

fantastic

in

that it could do a 3-part merge, compare member 1 to member 2
and

select

form the latter into member 3. One can always make a
user-option, I suppose. I believe Mark W., on these lists,
submitted the original request to add these in those back-when days.

*Regards*

*Vern Hamberg*

IBM Champion 2025 <cid:part1.d5X2pLrL.SkjW6dFK@centurylink.net>

CAAC

(COMMON Americas Advisory Council) IBM Influencer 2023

On 5/12/2025 7:56 AM, Rob Berendt wrote:

I think Liam misread it.
SDA is supposed to be removed.

On Sun, May 11, 2025 at 3:29 AM Gad Miron<gadmiron@xxxxxxxxx>

wrote:

Hello guys

According to this zoom session - minute 48:30

https://us02web.zoom.us/rec/play/7tcmOWphLipRdfy-osVlz1s8pYuHdv8RIrEVY
mGMEGZ2gqNM2ZePTl0Fv2StBH6IsUapUI5nn2wHRZW0.eKOG30SmE5vBSFqG?accessLev
el=meeting&canPlayFromShare=true&from=share_recording_detail&continueM
ode=true&componentName=rec-play&originRequestUrl=https%3A%2F%2Fus02web
.zoom.us%2Frec%2Fshare%2FtI8XRFAdaV9fcWEd3paTjVA02smCgfhvLqqVt_puScS8D
8TUFjuUfzqlhedu2N84.LsKaX24kUizy6Fqf

(pass: kQ^.TY2N)

According to Liam Allen SDA & RLU will be on 7.6 but not

supported.

Anyone care to elaborate?

TIA
Gad
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UniPro FoodService/Dilgard
830 Hayden St
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The opinions expressed are my own and not necessarily the opinion
of

my

company. Unless I say so.
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