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RE: How has/will AI impacted the RPGLE community?

My question about whether ChatGPT could convert RPGLE to VB was just happenstance around that IBM webinar at the same time. Clearly IBM isn't interested in something like that. They want to capitalize on their decades long effort to support old code on newer machines.

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He asked about converting it to VB. which would make even less sense (from IBM's perspective) than Java.


On 7/10/24 5:49 PM, Jon Paris wrote:
Thanks, Scott - that is 100% what I was trying to say.

Folks should not be misled by the fact that the engines being used have been successfully used to re-write mainframe code in Java. For some reason the manframe folks wanted to do that.

BUT - it is not the intention of the current RPG project. There have been enough failures in the past with folks attempting to convert RPG to Java. That is the last thing any of us, including IBM, should want.


Jon P.

On Jul 10, 2024, at 6:26 PM, Scott Klement <midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

I think Jon is saying that there's no value to IBM in converting RPG to another language.

Their goal is to make AI to help you write your RPG code, not to convert you away from their products.

On 7/10/2024 4:09 PM, tgarvey@xxxxxxxxxx wrote:
Yes, I saw your name listed in the presentation, along with others. Seems like you're not too optimistic then?

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Yes, I know. I'm a member of the initial "outsiders" group involved in the project.


Jon P.

On Jul 10, 2024, at 4:18 PM, <tgarvey@xxxxxxxxxx> <tgarvey@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Seems like IBM is moving forward with attempting to use AI in support of RPGLE. They're specifically using some 'tool' named Granite that they are trying to 'teach' RPGLE and SQL. They are even arranging for organizations to send them code to use for 'teaching' this tool, with presumed restrictions on who gets to see the code, etc.
They want it to be able to 'read' RPGLE code and give an English textual description of what the code actually does. They have already been able to give it general instructions like 'based on this SQL database definition, write a maintenance program'. They have other plans too.

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If it is ever done it won't be by IBM. No mileage in it for them,


Jon P.

On Jul 10, 2024, at 3:28 PM, <tgarvey@xxxxxxxxxx> <tgarvey@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Hello, everyone,



Just attended the IBM AI Strategy and Update webinar and thought I
might stimulate some discussion.



Seems like a year ago or so when I attended a webinar of a software
vendor who introduced how they were integrating AI into their product.
The demonstration included use of ChatGPT (I think) in which the tool
was told that it understood RPGLE code and a request was made of the
tool to write an RPGLE procedure to perform some minimal mathematic
function. It responded with a clean RPGLE procedure to do that, and
it was compiled and tested. Then the RPGLE source was modified to be
incorrect and the tool was asked to verify the function source code
was correct. The tool found the mistake and pointed out the source code error and suggested a correction.

I was impressed.



Now I'm wondering if ChatGPT has been improved enough to do something like:

Given source code for a simple RPGLE green screen entry panel,
convert that code to Visual Basic.



It's exciting to see the direction IBM is going, based on today's
webinar, but I'm wondering how we might be eventually impacted by these developments?



Any thoughts, opinions? Anybody seen ChatGPT convert RPGLE to VB?



Kind Regards,



Thomas Garvey



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