RE: Will IBM ever expand system object names?

Vern,

Great point. We do not have 40 people sitting at keypunch machines (though I worked at an insurance company decades ago that had 100s of them!).

My current client/employer only has five people in the office and 20+ in the retail outlets. The latter work entirely using scanners and web-like interfaces. The office staff use both web and green screen; the latter for heads-down data entry. I tried once moving one of those functions to a web format; I got negative feedback because, they said, it slowed them down.

Jerry C. Adams
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Subject: Re: Will IBM ever expand system object names?

And definitely slower for heads-down data entry. Web is eye-based, mouse-based, so unless you design the presentation very carefully, it will be slower for this type of use. Of course, we maybe don't do heads-down, 40 people in a room at keypunch machines anymore!


Cheers
Vern

On Thu, 30 May, 2024 at 11:21 AM, Raul Alberto Jager Weiler <raul.jager@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:


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Abandon the green screen, using web allows a lot more flexibility, it is
graphics, easy to use, no limit to the parameters, you can do wide reports,
prints very nice, etc.
A lot better.

On Wed, May 29, 2024 at 7:04 PM x y <xy6581@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:xy6581@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:

I see no chance of the 10-character limit changing in this operating
system. I would be surprised if a new cloud-based, all-graphic OS
compatible with what we're currently using didn't adopt a more flexible
object naming approach.

Soapbox:
It's sad that we are forced to deal with holdovers from long, long ago.
One example: the limit on command prompts lives on today--it's from the
days of the System/38's 16x64 console. If more customers had complained, I
suspect IBM would have made a change (which I'd guess is trivial) to fix
this one annoyance.

Every executable I deploy has a green-screen command interface; this makes
manual and automated unit testing demonstrably easier (especially for
service programs). Every batch job executes a command and some parameters
are conditionally prompted. Trying to fit a meaningful description in 30
characters is an exercise in frustration!



On Wed, May 29, 2024 at 6:19 AM Javier Sanchez <
javiersanchezbarquero@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:javiersanchezbarquero@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:

With SQL objects this is already possible, and sometime in the future,
maybe we will be able to do everything using only SQL, which would be
fantastic.

What about in the meantime we could have expanded the current 10-char
system object name length to something longer?

This is one item on my wish list, and I could also consider including the
underscore character as a valid starting one for such names.

JS
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