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RE: system/36 vs 7.4

Jon,

You know how wedded I am to the 36E. I've made a good living maintaining a
couple of sites that run in it.

But new apps, programs, etc., are all done in ILE RPG. The RPG36 stuff is
only maintained to apply a few line fixes to an error. No new stuff there,
though I have marveled that others I have seen do write new programs using
RPG II.

Anyway, I agree with you: we do not expect any enhancements to RPG II. Once
Toronto put CALL in during the last upgrade, I was happy. Heck, I can even
use that to invoke RPG IV programs, and have done so many times just so I
did not have to make major changes to those old programs.

The only potential downside is for the company. When I can no longer do the
work for whatever reason finding a replacement that can read OCL could be an
issue for them. But I'll keep cashing the checks up to that day.

Jerry C. Adams
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Jon Paris
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Well that says only that they drop out of mainstream maintenance and switch
to PRPQs. I'm actually surprised that they did any backpeddling. That is
how the PL/I compiler has sat for many moons.

Politics I guess since I can't believe that ant S/36 RPG user expects any
enhancements!


Jon P.

On Jan 21, 2022, at 12:54 PM, Rob Berendt <rob@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

IBM announcement regarding it's demise

https://www.ibm.com/common/ssi/cgi-bin/ssialias?infotype=an&subtype=ca&htmlf
id=897/ENUS206-018&language=enus


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Well I'll be danged! Of course that could have been Tim's interpretation
of what IBM said. For sure the compiler folks would have loved to get rid
of it and there were some products where the transition to V6 was
problematic (however a genius is Rochester came up with an OS fix that
removed that problem). But I had a non-disclose in place for the compilers
etc. during that period and don't recall anyone ever mentioning it other
than as an "I wish ...".

Jon P

On Jan 21, 2022, at 11:01 AM, Rob Berendt <rob@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

https://www.itjungle.com/2006/02/06/tfh020606-story02/
<snip>
First up, IBM says that WebSphere Development Studio for iSeries V5R4
will be the last release to ship with RPG II and COBOL compilers that are
compatible with the System/36 and RPG III and COBOL compilers that are
compatible with the System/38. IBM is recommending that customers who have
deployed System/36 and System/38 applications in the S36EE or S38EE
emulation environments to switch to ILE RPG and get it over with. IBM did
say that these old compilers would be available as a non-warranted PRPQ in
the next release of i5/OS, but this is not a place you want to go.
</snip>

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When Rob? I don't remember there being any attempt to do that. PL/I
compiler yes but S/36 RPG?


Jon Paris

On Jan 21, 2022, at 8:45 AM, Rob Berendt <rob@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Shoot, they tried to get rid of the S/36rpg compiler and had to bring
that back. This was not a rumor.

But the S/36 environment? I don't recall seeing that.

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You'd have to show me where you saw that. This rumor has appeared now
and then over various releases but there are A LOT of customer still
using 36E so I doubt that it will happen this release either!

- L

On 1/20/2022 11:29 PM, Miguel Peralta wrote:
hello, a favor, I once read that the 7.4 operating system is the last
one that will support the system/36 environment, but I did not know if it
was true or not, and I cannot find a document that says so, can you help me
in this please? Or any document that talks about it?

Thanks a lot.

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