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Re: File protection basics

" But in either case, you are still giving your users *ALLOBJ, just
indirectly. "
I think I get that :
"You're not coming in, you don't have *ALLOBJ'
"Oh yes I do, I'm with the group!"

It doesn't feel right, I agree. But I like the fact that we can get rid of
*ALLOBJ on the user profiles themselves.
Maybe we could have several groups temporarily, say for example 1 for each
user department. Then we can pick a guinea pig from each group, take him
out of that group and see what happens. If, after a trial period, there
are no problems, we could remove all members from the group, then delete
the group. With the goal of eventually deleting all the groups

On Tue, 13 Oct 2020 at 15:15, Rob Berendt <rob@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

I'm really not big on group profiles and have leaned more towards
authorization lists. There's several advantages. One of the most
beneficial is that once you've assigned the authorization list to the
object you can customize it without getting another lock on the object.

But in either case, you are still giving your users *ALLOBJ, just
indirectly. Especially with the group profile. This doesn't solve
anything unless your auditors are complete idiots and just want to ensure
that individual users do not have *ALLOBJ.

Rob Berendt
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Hi,

I found this interesting page from IBM

https://www.ibm.com/support/pages/preventing-someone-allobj-authority-touching-certain-objects

So if I understand correctly, we would create some group profiles (G1, G2,
etc) with *ALLUSR special authority, put every user that currently has
*ALLOBJ into one of those groups and remove *ALLOBJ from the users'
personal profiles. At this point, nothing should effectively have changed.
Next, we could have another group profile (say, GX) with the same
authorities for users of the objects we want to protect. We would then use
*EXCLUDE (G1, G2, etc) to effectively prevent everyone from using the
protected objects.

As the page says, it is not recommended, but should work. Seems like a kind
of upside down approach to me. But we would at least have removed *ALLOBJ
special authority from each user. Maybe it's a start!










On Thu, 1 Oct 2020 at 15:18, Rob Berendt <rob@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

According to https://www.ibm.com/support/pages/node/6023368
that can be upgraded to 7.3. This would be a big help with security
tools.

Biggest concern with an upgrade from 7.1? Maybe the old SSL certificates
which are no longer supported with newer versions. But is this a bad
thing? Plus you get newer SSL versions which people will actually
accept.

Usual required stuff to say:
- Read the Memo to users for both 7.2 and 7.3. I do mean BOTH.
- Check with your software vendors to see if the version you are running
is supported on a higher release or if you need to put on a new version.
MTU for 7.2:

https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/ssw_ibm_i_72/rzahg/rzahgmtu.htm
MTU for 7.3:

https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/ssw_ibm_i_73/rzahg/rzahgmtu.htm
Upgrading to 7.3:

https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/ssw_ibm_i_73/rzahc/rzahcupgradeorreplace.htm


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8202-E4C

Rob Berendt <rob@xxxxxxxxx> schrieb am Do., 1. Okt. 2020, 13:55:

Let's try
WRKHDWRSC TYPE(*PRC)
What's the first entry under "Type-model"? In my case it is 9009-42A.
Basically I am trying to see if there's a chance you can upgrade the OS
to
a newer version which will be better at supporting some suggestions I
have
in mind.
https://www.ibm.com/support/pages/node/6023368

Rob Berendt
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I've discovered that when the company bought their new machine in 2013,
they suddenly started having problems with user authorities and found
it
necessary to add *ALLOBJ to All the user profiles!!
I'm guessing it was QSECURITY that changed and new users didn't have
the
authority necessary
What those authorities are I don't yet know
I was looking for a command to extract all the authorities on the
system
but that doesn't look that easy.
Then I thought why not create a user profile with no special
authorities
and see how it affects me when I use it.

Rob Berendt <rob@xxxxxxxxx> schrieb am Di., 29. Sept. 2020, 15:43:

I'll give you an example. Here it was discovered that the users had
an
initial program which jumped them directly into our ERP package.
They
also
had limited capabilities set to yes, which basically means no command
line. They had no special authority. However, instead of their
initial
menu being *SIGNOFF it was set to QSYS/MAIN. Actually this is a
current
issue I'll get around to one of these days...

MAIN
4. Files, libraries, and folders
...
6. Query Utilities
7. Data File Utility (DFU)

4. Files, libraries, and folders
1. Files
1. Work with files
File . . . . . . . . . . . . . . *ALL
Library . . . . . . . . . . . ERPLXF
4=Delete

Yet another reason we are going to implement "Application Only
Access".

Rob Berendt
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Dept 1600
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Ft. Wayne, IN 46818
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On Tue, Sep 29, 2020 at 12:59 AM Dave <dfx1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:


This may be a silly question, but I'll ask anyway: why not just let
the
program check the user id before allowing any particular level of
access
to
the files? I'm guessing that in this situation, that may be
necessary,
given the fact that everyone has special authority *ALLOBJ.


Because the fact that users have *ALLOBJ means they don't have to
use a
program to read/change/delete data...or even the program objects.

If you don't already have this book, I highly recommend it.




https://www.amazon.com/Security-Administration-Compliance-Woodbury-2016-05-11/dp/B01JXQM65I

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