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Re: CRTDTAARA first time run each day after V7R4M0 installed

I had instant response time with the data queue I gave as an example also.

When I posted, I used qgpl as the library in the example. The actual
library was GCETSTBASP

This morning if I try to create the data area in QGPL it is instant.
However the one in GCETSTBASP took exactly 30 seconds (but just that first
time) which is my default wait time in seconds.

I did all the things you mentioned above (job trace, ptf lists, job log,
etc) and have them as pdf files.

So thanks for all the help.

On the job trace it is interesting. Here are the entries from when I did
the CRTDTAARA that hung for 30 seconds:

SYSTEM VRM . . . . . . . V7R4M0 Trace job
information Page

| | SYNCHRONOU

CALL | CPU | READS | WR
TIME THREAD FLAG FUNCTION PROGRAM
LIBRARY ENTRY EXIT LVL | TIME | DB NDB| DB
07:19:49.122548 00000129 XCTL QCATRS QSYS
x000001 x0001B5 9 .000000 0 0 0
07:19:49.122556 00000129 DATA
COMMAND ANALYZER TRANSFER TO CPP

CMD -QSYS /CRTDTAARA

PGM -QSYS /QWCCCRVC
07:19:49.122560 00000129 XCTL QWCCCRVC QSYS
x000001 x000149 9 .000000 0 0 0
07:20:12.963108 00000129 CALL QWCSCVTR QSYS
x000001 x0001E5 10 .110460 0 4719 0
07:20:12.963122 00000129 RETURN QWCCCRVC QSYS
x000149 x000164 9 .000003 0 0 0

On Fri, Sep 27, 2019 at 8:01 AM Rob Berendt <rob@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Instant response time the next day also.
CRTDTAARA DTAARA(QGPL/BHAMREN) TYPE(*CHAR) LEN(10) TEXT('Menu')
Data area BHAMREN exists in QGPL.

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I would definitely start a PMR on that. I have the same results as Rob.

On Thu, Sep 26, 2019 at 1:24 PM Blair Hamren <bhamren@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Thanks,

Will try in the morning. I was hoping to find some way to trace what
is happening.

On Thu, Sep 26, 2019 at 2:17 PM Rob Berendt <rob@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

I recreated the data area. I'll try it again in the morning.

Suggest you try this in the morning:

TRCJOB SET(*ON)
CRTDTAARA...
TRCJOB SET(*OFF) OUTPUT(*PRINT)
WRKPTFGRP While in there hit F6 to print.
DSPPTF OUTPUT(*PRINT)
DSPJOBLOG OUTPUT(*PRINT)
Use iACS to download all these spool files. If you had the job
schedule entry, add that also.
Zip them together.
Create a case at support.ibm.com and upload that file At 7.4 it's a
pretty safe bet you have support.

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Not sure what all happens overnight. Not an IPL, probably some
saves. The job wait time is 30 seconds and my delays are all over
the map, like I said from 20 - 80 seconds. I don't see any locks in
any of the programs
in
the programs, but it also happens if I just create it using a
command
line
the first thing in the morning.

On Thu, Sep 26, 2019 at 1:52 PM Rob Berendt <rob@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

What kind of magic happens in that time period? Save? IPL?
Exclusive lock on the object from something related to your menu
system? Change in how 7.4 handles such an object lock? Does the
time match the interval in RTVJOBA DFTWAIT(&DFT
<https://www.google.com/maps/search/OBA+DFTWAIT(%26DFT?entry=gmail&sou
rce=g>
WAIT)?

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I tried looking at the exit points and get the following:

Exit
Exit Point
Point Format Registered Text
QIBM_QCA_CHG_COMMAND CHGC0100 *YES Change command exit
programs
QIBM_QCA_RTV_COMMAND RTVC0100 *YES Retrieve command exit
program

But none of this looks at CRTDTAARA.

I would not expect you to have issues with the speed today since
it is the first time creating it. Try again tomorrow when it
already exists and see if it delays.

Thanks

On Thu, Sep 26, 2019 at 1:41 PM Rob Berendt <rob@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Tried this also:
dltDTAARA DTAARA(QGPL/BHAMREN)
Object BHAMREN in QGPL type *DTAARA dele
<https://www.google.com/maps/search/ype+*DTAARA+dele?entry=gmail&sourc
e=g>
ted.
CRTDTAARA DTAARA(QGPL/BHAMREN) TYPE(*CHAR) LEN(10)
TEXT('Menu')
Data area BHAMREN created in library QGPL.
CRTDTAARA DTAARA(QGPL/BHAMREN) TYPE(*CHAR) LEN(10)
TEXT('Menu')
Data area BHAMREN exists in QGPL.

Very fast.

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CRTDTAARA is running slow the first time it is called each day.
The only thing that seems different is that we upgraded to
V7R4M0. Is anyone else seeing this?

Here is how it works. Our menu program creates a data area with
our environment values every time it is called. We monitor for
message
CPF1023 and just ignore it if it already exist (no big deal if
it does and it normally already exists for existing users).

The problem comes the first time I run the menu each day. Going
through debug it is always hung up on the CRTDTAARA command. I
have taken this a step further and just called this command from
a command line each day with the same results. This morning the
command hung my session for 80 seconds before the CPF1023
message came back. Every other time I run it, the reply is instant.

Here is the command:

CRTDTAARA DTAARA(QGPL/BHAMREN) TYPE(*CHAR) LEN(10) TEXT('Menu')

Like I said, when I call it from a command the first time each
day it hangs for a while (it has been from 15 - 80 seconds)
before it comes back with the message of "Data area BHAMREN exists
in QGPL."
Our menu program monitors for this message but it still hangs up
the first time
every day.
The odd thing is that I can sign off and sign back on later in
the day and there is no delay in the response. But the next day
when I sign on the delay is there again.

Can someone on a V7R4M0 machine create a data area and then try
it again the next day and see if there is a delay? Try it over a
few days
even.

The only thing that we can see is the installation of the new
operating system, but maybe someone has seen this for a
different
reason.

Thanks!
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