I was thinking that was the case and that's why it's off the table at this point, multiple projects are going live over the next couple of weenends. We'll just swim forward as is and hope either our vendor or IBM finds a resolution. Once a couple of them are done if we still have the problem. I'll see about doing the slip on our test box on a weekend.
Appreciate everyone's thoughts on this.
Coy Krill
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Washington Trust Bank
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I'm of the opinion that is the only way those PTFs get removed, cleanly.
Too many perm apply and co/pre requisites to deal with otherwise....
Now if there is not a backup of the LPPs prior to the group apply, that might make it a bit more intriguing, however if you start with the gold code and just apply the groups at the right level that would fix it.
Either way you go there's going to be a day of downtime: Backup, restore LPP, apply PTFs (if needed), backup, test, etc......
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I've done a bunch of slip installs. NBD. Get a PTF listing before/after.
And double check all the stuff you do at upgrade time, like CHGCMDDFT.
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The SQL function is how I got the list of what was actually applied. Made it very easy to get a list, that's why I was hoping IBM could point to a clear path but they didn't respond to my request for help in unrolling them.
Our vendor would prefer we get it fixed. They're actually happy we have the issue because we were the second reporter and they were about to vet the latest cume and have people install before end of year. That has been delayed due to my situation. So I know that they are working on it, but I also know that they w
Management already nixed the idea of the slip install and our vendor didn't think it was a good idea. That option also makes me paranoid just because I've never done it and we really don't have the time at the moment due to the projects going live or deeply in motion.
Coy Krill
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Washington Trust Bank
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Let's say it's been a year. At that time PTF SI12345 was the latest for some LPP. During that interval that was replaced by SI12444. Then later it was replaced by SI14698. When you put SI14698 on it applied SI12444 permanently. With no RMVPTF capability.
You could query this for more information:
https://www.ibm.com/developerworks/community/wikis/home?lang=en#!/wiki/IBM%2
0i%20Technology%20Updates/page/QSYS2.PTF_INFO%20catalog
However, about the only way you're going to make your vendor happy is to slip install the LIC and OS (and maybe LPPs) and apply only those PTF's approved by them.
https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/ssw_ibm_i_74/rzahc/upgradesameve
rsion.htm
Of course, when you do that be careful that you only use a LIC resave version that has been approved by them.
https://www-01.ibm.com/support/docview.wss?uid=nas8N1022015
But in actuality your vendor is probably happiest now. They don't have to work on resolving the issue and can simply point fingers at you because it's always the customers fault.
And, thanks for the maintenance money which we'll only use for funding our latest leveraged buy out.
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Recently made the mistake of applying some PTFs that had not yet been vetted by our vendor (I'm, lucky if they vet a CUME per year these days) and have now had two weeks of production impact with what appears to be slow record lock releases. I'm in limbo between IBM and my vendor at the moment as IBM has now decided it's probably an issue in the vendors code, however, they keep focusing on some SQL action that isn't part of the problem. The problem is two RPG programs where program 1 updates a record and then calls the next program to do another update to the same record. This worked fine until I loaded some group PTFs.
All that preamble to get to my question. I want to roll these off. It's been probably 20+ years since I've had to back off PTFs and never about 127 of them to roll it all back. Is there any kind of automated way of determining the right/best sequence for unrolling them? Anybody had to do this in recent years?
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