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Re: Full save then restricted state?

I don't know if this would be of value but wanted to pass along.

I have an open source project called Console Monitor at
http://www.think400.dk/downloads.htm

This project is designed to run full system saves in a secure environment.
All the code to run the backups is in CL and could be modified to not
startup automatically.

Anyway, maybe it could help you.

On Sun, Mar 17, 2019 at 3:44 PM Mark Waterbury <
mark.s.waterbury@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Hi, Larry,
No arguments from me. Just stating "for the archives" what the available
options are. :)
Mark S. Waterbury

On Sunday, March 17, 2019, 6:04:13 PM EDT, DrFranken <
midrange@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

This ASSUMES that a shop wants to own that. A simple option added to the
GO SAVE menus would mean they DO NOT need to maintain that.

- Larry "DrFranken" Bolhuis

www.Frankeni.com
www.iDevCloud.com - Personal Development IBM i timeshare service.
www.iInTheCloud.com - Commercial IBM i Cloud Hosting.

On 3/17/2019 5:42 PM, Mark Waterbury wrote:
Hi, Larry,
Using RTVCLSRC of QMNSAVE will always be "up to date" and it should be
easy enough to issue RTVCLSRC of QMNSAVE after any PTFs or OS upgrades
(saving to a new member name), to see what was changed ... use CMPPFM for
that.

So, it should be fairly easy to maintain a "customized" version of e.g.
QMNSAVE, especially if kept in a separate QSYS1 library, where IBM PTFs
will not directly affect it.

Hope that helps,
Mark S. Waterbury

On Sunday, March 17, 2019, 4:44:11 PM EDT, DrFranken <
midrange@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Thousand pardons that I was not more specific, it seemed rather obvious
my my chair!!

My RFE will be to add an option to leave the system in restricted state
after the backup. Very simple it seems and a default of No to that would
be appropriate and leave the options to work as they do now by default.

Yes you could write your own and I have many times. Thing is when IBM
enhances those saves you then have to enhance yours. And if you read
what's behind F1 it's not complete and has not been for several releases.

Go BACKUP? People still use that. YIKES!

- Larry "DrFranken" Bolhuis

www.Frankeni.com
www.iDevCloud.com - Personal Development IBM i timeshare service.
www.iInTheCloud.com - Commercial IBM i Cloud Hosting.

On 3/17/2019 1:45 PM, Mark Waterbury wrote:
Hi, Larry,
Okay, but an "RFE" to alter what, exactly, -- the behavior of "GO SAVE"
options 21, 22 and 23? Perhaps add another option to the list of options
when you select option 20, to ask if you want to leave the system in
"restricted state"?

If you type GO SAVE and press Enter, then put the cursor on top of the
21, 22 or 23 in the menu and press F1=Help, then page down to the bottom,
it documents the CL commands that will be run, you you could always just
write your own CL program to do the "save" the way you want.
And, also, what about "GO BACKUP"?
Perhaps a more generic approach would be an RFE to request IBM to
provide source code for those system menus (SAVE, BACKUP, etc.) and the
programs that run for those menu options, so they could be "customized" if
needed for a given customer site...?
See also:
https://www-01.ibm.com/support/docview.wss?uid=nas8N1017315

That document describes how to modify the CL programs invoked by the GO
SAVE menu options 21, 22, and 23 ...

NOTE: I suggest compiling any new version into a new library, e.g.
QSYS1, and then, when you want that behavior, you can issue e.g.:
CHGSYSLIBL QSYS1 *ADD to add QSYS1 ahead of QSYS in the system portion of
the library list, or if you always want to use the modifications, issue:
CHGSYSLIBL QSYSLIBL ... This works because the GO SAVE menu issues an
unqualified CALL to those programs for those menu options.

Some related information:
https://www-01.ibm.com/support/docview.wss?crawler=1&uid=nas8N1011650
Hope that helps ... how do others handle this situation?
Mark S. Waterbury





On Sunday, March 17, 2019, 12:51:52 PM EDT, DrFranken <
midrange@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

CHGIPLA STRRSTD(*YES) has no effect after a save.

During an IPL the system notes this setting and does not start the
controlling subsystem if set to *YES. It also resets it to *NO at this
point.

At the end of backup options 21, 22, and 23 on the SAVE menu, the system
starts the controlling subsystem.

I think an RFE is in order.


- Larry "DrFranken" Bolhuis

www.Frankeni.com
www.iDevCloud.com - Personal Development IBM i timeshare service.
www.iInTheCloud.com - Commercial IBM i Cloud Hosting.

On 3/16/2019 11:39 PM, Mark Waterbury wrote:
I think you're right -- I think the GO SAVE 21 just takes the
system to restricted state, does the back-up, then returns to "normal"...

On Saturday, March 16, 2019, 10:32:40 PM EDT, Roger Harman <
roger.harman@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

I know there's that, but I recall it only was applicable to
something like PwrdwnSys Restart(*yes).

The 21/Save is not really what I consider an IPL.


-----Original Message-----
From: MIDRANGE-L [mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Mark Waterbury
Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2019 7:20 PM
To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion
Subject: Re: Full save then restricted state?

CHGIPLA

On Saturday, March 16, 2019, 10:02:51 PM EDT, Roger Harman <
roger.harman@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

I've been out of the sysadmin world for some time but isn't there
an option to change the defaults and not start QCTL (or whatever SBS you
have configured) after the backup? Or, maybe it prompted?

I seem to recall doing that.


Roger Harman
COMMON Certified Application Developer - ILE RPG on IBM i on Power




-----Original Message-----
From: MIDRANGE-L [mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of DrFranken
Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2019 2:26 PM
To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion
Subject: Re: Full save then restricted state?

Can you say: "Fraught with peril?"

- Larry "DrFranken" Bolhuis

www.Frankeni.com
www.iDevCloud.com - Personal Development IBM i timeshare service.
www.iInTheCloud.com - Commercial IBM i Cloud Hosting.

On 3/16/2019 5:22 PM, Tom Duncan wrote:
Or you can rename the strsbs command.

Tom Duncan

On Sat, Mar 16, 2019 at 3:32 PM DrFranken <midrange@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

Nope. The last step of the SAVE 21 is STRSBS <controlling subsystem>

I have used three strategies:

1) Select prompt for commands and then press F12/F3 when STRSBS comes
up. Of course you need to be there to execute the commands.

2) Use my own CLP to do the save and omit the STRSBS command.

3) Change QSTRUPPGM to *NONE and be sure that The parm STRTCP on
CHGIPLA
is set to *NO. This is not completely effective as scheduled jobs
will
run but your users can't get on.

- Larry "DrFranken" Bolhuis

www.Frankeni.com
www.iDevCloud.com - Personal Development IBM i timeshare service.
www.iInTheCloud.com - Commercial IBM i Cloud Hosting.

On 3/16/2019 4:11 PM, Justin Taylor wrote:
I need to do a full save and then leave the system in a restricted
state. Will this do it?
endsbs *all
go save, 21

TIA

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