Paul, I don't know any details, just heard the rumor. I'm guessing they
just stole the code from ATape and VIOS and they plan to run it in PASE.
But that is a shear guess on my part.
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Paul
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< I've heard rumor that IBM intends to virtualize tape libraries in IBM i
now, augmenting the device virtualization. When that happens about a third
of my VIOS installations will cease to be needed.
I can't wait.
So then you would only need one FC card to the tape library, or VTL.
I'm curious on how this will work?
Paul
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Yea, we do that occasionally too. VIOS tape and Ethernet support is
excellent.
That may be changing soon too. I've heard rumor that IBM intends to
virtualize tape libraries in IBM i now, augmenting the device
virtualization. When that happens about a third of my VIOS installations
will cease to be needed.
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Things can get interesting in the guesting world. One guest can have more
than one host. For example, disk could be hosted from IBM i, while tape and
ethernet could be hosted from VIOS. We do this.
Rob Berendt
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Kevin:
Are you keeping VIOS and using ViSCSI support or going completely to IBM i
hosting IBM i?
IBM i cannot host anything if it is virtualized as well.
IF VIOS then the rules are very different than IBM i as a hosting
environment. Frankly VIOS is awful at iSCSI virtualization so if that's all
that VIOS is doing I would far prefer an IBM i host. (IBM i can host IBM i
, Linux, and AIX)
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Is there a guide somewhere on setting this up? And maybe a best practices?
We are working on getting our next box now. Our dev partition which is 2
mirrored 283 gig drives hosted on vios (and slow as hell!) is going to
become about 500 gigs in an i on i situation. I'd like to optimize that disk
speed, as that is the only really bad thing about that partition now.
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200GB drives in the quantity you are proposing should work well.
The limits on the number of NWSSTG units a NWSD instance would support was
16 and was raised later, I'm not sure what the limit is now, but I've always
found performance is best when we put no more than 12-13 drives per NWSD
instance. It also gives you the ability to add drives later and spread them
out vs. putting all the new drives in one place.
Watch memory in the machine pool and *BASE, carefully. That's where quite a
bit of this virtualization is done, you'll be surprised at how much memory
it takes. Don't short it.
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New P9, 9009-42A, V7R3.
I will be virtualizing about 20 TB of SSD to client R&D LPAR.
The entire R&D LPAR will virtualized.
My plan was 10 NWSD each consisting of 5 200gb NWSSTG.
This would give me 50 arms, each about 200gb each, one would be the load
source.
Some rules and guidelines from previous posts.
More arms the better.
For performance - at least 6 NWSSTG per system, max 16 (32?) NWSSTG per NWSD
Consistently sized and at least 70GB ??
Goal is for optimal performance on both the host and the client LPARs.
1) Does anyone have any history on the optimal number of NWSD?
2) Can too many NWSD cause a performance issue.
Also, I will be repeating this process for 2 additional sandbox LPARS, each
about 5 TB.
When complete, host LPAR will have about 20 NWSD.
Any thoughts from the group?
Thank You
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