Internally we are having a struggle between those that are responsible for
productivity and those that are responsible for getting butts in the seat.
Those that want productivity want to stay with the green screen, it's all
about the keystrokes. While those that need to bring people in want an
interface that 'people are used to'.

In order to meet the needs of both we really need to design these new
systems so a mouse isn't required to do the task.

-----Original Message-----
From: Don Brown [mailto:DBrown@xxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2018 12:22 AM
To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion
Subject: Re: Looking for like-minded programmers who use the enhanced
features of 5250


Booth I do not believe you correct.

While the amount of heads down bum up data entry has considerable reduced
in the last 40 years there is still many requirements for this type of
work.

One module of our application is for processing dockets and while many
methods have been introduced to automate a lot of this there are just some
that can not be.

I have done data entry and I know how a screen should respond to enable
the
fastest possible entry and we have proved that green screen wins every
time
over GUI. We even spent a lot of time trying to duplicate a 5250
environment through a browser but the 5250 had type ahead and the very
fast
data entry people used that feature to great benefit.

I am a strong believer of use the right tool for the job and if that is
data entry, is speed important? If you are doing ten invoices per day
manually then no speed is not that critical, if you are entering ten
thousand dockets per day and you add one second to every docket being
entered that is 2.7 hours per day more. In a pure data entry, with
validation, nothing will beat a 5250 session. We are considering IBMi
systems in this statement.

We have both a GUI version and a green screen version and not one of the
new or long term staff at any of our customers uses the GUI version for
more than a day or two.

Cheers
Don Brown






From: "Booth Martin" <booth@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: "Midrange Systems Technical Discussion"
<midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: 27/06/2018 02:06 PM
Subject: Re: Looking for like-minded programmers who use the
enhanced
features of 5250
Sent by: "MIDRANGE-L" <midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx>



What modern application has employees keying in data?  Either it is
scanned or it is keyed in by individuals not on the payroll (another
company's employees or directly by customers).  The days of the
heads-down data entry operator have gone the way of the Foto-Mat kiosk
operator.


On 6/26/2018 10:06 PM, John McKee wrote:
I can attest to the speed of movement. Before Y2K, I saw ladies enter
data
very easily on a DOS based application. They were very proficient. The
software that replaced the DOS system was Y2K enabled. Maybe just
barely,
To move from field to field, one hand moved from keyboard to mouse.
Move
to next fied. Click in the box. Hand moved back to keyboard. It was
painful to watch. That version was a slap-dash implementation. It was
replaced a year later with more reasonable access. But, it was never as
quick or as smmoth as the DOS version. As bad as the initial version
was,
another vendor's concept was even worse and was ten times the cost. It
seems like neither product was designed with end user efficiency in
mind.

John McKee

On Tue, Jun 26, 2018 at 8:45 PM, Kevin Monceaux <Kevin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

Booth,

On Sat, Jun 23, 2018 at 02:54:54PM -0500, Booth Martin wrote:

They are used to mouse clicks and the mouse wheel. Isn't it time we
acknowledged this in our green screen applications?
No, nothing slows down a data entry operator more than having to reach
for
a
mouse. Encourage them to embrace the keyboard.

I am not particularly interested in lectures on the purity of the
1980s
and F-keys and why it is important to teach users that F21 is
shift-F-something and that the only way to close a program is with
F-3.
Upgrade to a PC keyboard with 24 function keys, then F21 is F21. :-)
I've
been using one like this at home:

https://www.Amazon.com/Unicomp-Model-Buckling-Spring-
Keyboard/dp/B01MDRT4L4

I need to invest in another one for work.



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