Re: QS36F file format error after migrating LPAR

So here's what I came up against when I tried last week (and just now
again) to select an alternate installation device: no bus offered.

Note as mentioned earlier, once the OS is installed, it autoconfigures
itself with TAP01. It's just at alternate installation device selection
time it doesn't appear.

Select Alternate Installation Device
Bus
System:
XXXXXXXX
Type Option, press
Enter.

1=Select


Option Bus Number
Selected






F2=Deselect device F3=Exit F5=Refresh
F12=Cancel
F13=Bypass bus select

So when I get here, I try F12 and get this:

Select Media
Type
System:
XXXXXXXX
Select one of the
following:


1.
Tape
2.
Optical


Then I get this:

Select Alternate Installation
Device
System:
XXXXXXXX


Additional devices may be available for use. Press F5 to
see
if any additional devices have been
detected.


Type option, press
Enter.
1=Select 5=Display
details


Bus Resource
Serial
Option Number Name Type Model Number
Selected
255 TAP01 3580 006
YFC0WT064394

Here's the tape library's serial number:

Serial Number 10WT064394

So you see, it has found the real tape drive. Here's 5 to display details:


Display Device
Details
System:
XXXXXXXX
Resource
Serial
Name Type Model
Number
TAP01 63A0 002
YFC0WT064394


Location . . . . . . . . . . . . .
:




Logical
address:

Bus:
System bus . . . . . . . . :
255
System board . . . . . . . :
128
System card . . . . . . . . :
6



Storage:
I/O bus number . . . . . . :
16
Controller . . . . . . . . :
0
Device address . . . . . . : 0


All good so far.

Back to the Select screen and 1 to select it as the alternate installation
device.


Bus Resource Serial
Option Number Name Type Model Number Selected
255 TAP01 3580 006 YFC0WT064394 *

F2=Deselect device F3=Exit F5=Refresh F12=Cancel
Alternate installation device selected


Tape is in the drive. says the library:
Drive inventory Drive Status Label Source
1 Full, Gen. 5 000001L6 Slot 1


Then F3 and 1 to install and:

Alternate Installation Device
Failed
System:
XXXXXXXX
The alternate installation device or media
failed.


Press Enter to use the primary installation
device.
Press F5 to
retry.
Press F12 to cancel.


5=Retry
F12=Cancel
Data on media incorrect - installation failed


So I guess somehow the tape is no good despite being a GO SAVE 21. Entire
System and being in other respects apparently reliable?


Waah.


On Mon, Apr 9, 2018 at 3:46 PM, Jim Oberholtzer <midrangel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

wrote:

Sorry but I do it all the time on the 3583 ......

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Subject: RE: QS36F file format error after migrating LPAR

<snip>
The following tape libraries have a single mode of operation - Random and
therefore cannot be changed to SEQ

3494
3584 (TS3500)
3583
3575
3576 (TS3310)
Although the mode of these drives cannot be changed, it is possible to
manually load a cartridge into the tape drive and then vary the tape media
library off and then vary on a tape device description associated with the
tape resource.
</snip>
http://www-01.ibm.com/support/docview.wss?uid=nas8N1016897


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From: "Jim Oberholtzer" <midrangel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: "'Midrange Systems Technical Discussion'"
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Date: 04/09/2018 03:24 PM
Subject: RE: QS36F file format error after migrating LPAR
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Um, I think that might be questionable. The only IBM library I'm aware
of the DOES NOT support sequential mode is the TS4500 (3584 replacement)
certainly the TS2900, TS3100, TS3200, and TS3310 do. I've not looked at
the TS4300 but I suspect it's in the same enterprise category as the
TS4500.

Was that a mistype?

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There are tape libraries which do not support sequential mode.
I've not had one which did support sequential mode since my 3581-LTO1


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From: Evan Harris <auctionitis@xxxxxxxxx>
To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion <midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: 04/09/2018 02:35 PM
Subject: Re: QS36F file format error after migrating LPAR
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Hi Jack

If you are using a tape library for a D IPL then make sure the library is
set to sequential mode.

On Tue, 10 Apr 2018, 05:46 Jack Woehr, <jwoehr@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

I have the tape library. I know how to move and identify the tape. I've

not

had any problem with it at all ... once the system is running.

Using it as an alt-ipl or alt-install has been the problem.

Thanks again for your help. I'll post back as I uncover the mystery, or
I'll send you a postcard from Borneo :)


On Mon, Apr 9, 2018 at 11:34 AM, Rob Berendt <rob@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

<snip>
Tape : I tried some stuff last week and it showed the drive but was

never

able to use it.
</snip>
Do you have a tape library? If so you have to make sure the tape is

in

the drive and not in any of the other slots. This can be done with

the

front panel or gui (if your library has one).

<snip>
IDDU: Thanks for the tip. I'm going to IPL my almost-working system

and

fiddle with that ... that sounds really good.
</snip>
Hope that works. And that is the last oddity on your restore.


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From: Jack Woehr <jwoehr@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion

<midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>

Date: 04/09/2018 01:26 PM
Subject: Re: QS36F file format error after migrating LPAR
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Tape : I tried some stuff last week and it showed the drive but was

never

able to use it.
IDDU: Thanks for the tip. I'm going to IPL my almost-working system

and

fiddle with that ... that sounds really good.

On Mon, Apr 9, 2018 at 11:23 AM, Rob Berendt <rob@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

I may have gotten really lucky and it was always on the first bus.


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From: Jack Woehr <jwoehr@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion

<midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx

Date: 04/09/2018 01:17 PM
Subject: Re: QS36F file format error after migrating LPAR
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I think you're getting through. I got as far as "select alternate
installation device" a few times in the past.

It never seems to find the tape drive

If I install from DVD (virt opt) the installed system can see the

tape

drive and restore from it.

When I restored I got an *almost* working system. Arggh.

So I guess I will go back down the "select alternate installation

device"

and see if I can make any more progress with that than I did before.


On Mon, Apr 9, 2018 at 11:11 AM, Rob Berendt <rob@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

I'm just not getting through...
<snip>
So the ideal if I'm doing the migration is to boot off the tape?
</snip>
"IF" you can boot off the tape then by all means do so. If you

cannot

boot from the tape then you will need to use an alternate IPL

device.

In

my case I used DVD. IDK if you can use virtual optical, and then
initialize your disk and start the restore or if the system will

abort

because the virtual optical is now gone. I think I did have

issues

if

I

removed the DVD too soon during my upgrades.

I think the RSTCFG issue had little to anything to do with your

QS36F

issue.




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From: Jack Woehr <jwoehr@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion

<midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>

Date: 04/09/2018 01:05 PM
Subject: Re: QS36F file format error after migrating LPAR
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Rob --

I have booted from virtual optical to do OS
upgrades but never to initialize a system and start over.

So the ideal if I'm doing the migration is to boot off the tape?

See RSTCFG SRM(*NONE)

Does that which is restored by RSTCFG have anything to do with

IDDU

and

QS36F?




On Mon, Apr 9, 2018 at 11:00 AM, Rob Berendt <rob@xxxxxxxxx>

wrote:

What I will say is follow the recovery and/or migration

manual(s)

very

carefully. For example, when you do the restore you want to

ensure

that

you tell it you are coming from a different system. You

definitely

do

not

want to restore the SRM. It's not an event to put you into your

happy

place.

See RSTCFG SRM(*NONE)

From the help:
ATTENTION Unless the system you are restoring to has exactly

the

same hardware configuration as the system that the original
configuration was saved on, you must specify SRM(*NONE) on this
command to prevent the restore of the SRM information. If the

SRM

information is restored on a system with a different hardware
configuration, the configuration objects may become unusable.


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From: Rob Berendt <rob@xxxxxxxxx>
To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion

<midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>

Date: 04/09/2018 12:53 PM
Subject: Re: QS36F file format error after migrating LPAR
Sent by: "MIDRANGE-L" <midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx>



I used these instructions migrating from P6 to P8. Why wouldn't

it

work

migrating from P7 to P8?

<snip>
1. Am I right that the tape can't be the IPL installation

device

if

it

was made from a P7 and I'm migrating/restoring to a P8?
</snip>
You combined terms here. The terms are:
- Alternate IPL Device
- Alternate Installation Device
Not IPL installation device. The fact that it comes from a

different

system has no bearing on whether or not this tape drive can be

your

alternate IPL device or not. It has more to do with your bus
configurations and whatnot.
I used DVD as an alternate IPL device and tape as an alternate
installation device.

Whether or not you can boot from virtual optical an then cream

that

virtual optical device when you restore LIC and all from tape

would

be

an

interesting exercise. I have booted from virtual optical to do

OS

upgrades but never to initialize a system and start over.

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From: Jack Woehr <jwoehr@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion

<midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>

Date: 04/09/2018 11:46 AM
Subject: Re: QS36F file format error after migrating LPAR
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Rob, I'm trying to understand your instructions.

Questions:

1. Am I right that the tape can't be the IPL installation

device

if

it

was made from a P7 and I'm migrating/restoring to a P8?
2. So then can I boot (as I have done many times) from virt

opt

and

get
up to your instruction 13 and proceed from there using your
instructions?

13. Work with system security

These values should all be “1”. You may have to change “Allow

a

service

tool user ID…”.

And even so, is what follows going to work if I'm migrating from

P7

to

P8?

On Mon, Apr 9, 2018 at 9:30 AM, Rob Berendt <rob@xxxxxxxxx>

wrote:

Did you notice the quite detailed instructions on how to boot

from

a

DVD

yet do 100% of your install from tape?

Much of this is from the recovery manual. However instead of

skipping

all

around the darn thing I laid the steps out sequentially in an

effort

to

ease others.

Keep in mind that I did 15 unload/reloads of IBM i 7.1 from

Power

6

to

Power 8 systems following instructions with this snippet as

part

of

them.

And I had coworkers follow them and do them on their own with

me

out

of

the building also.

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From: Jack Woehr <jwoehr@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion

<midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>

Date: 04/09/2018 11:21 AM
Subject: Re: QS36F file format error after migrating

LPAR

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On Mon, Apr 9, 2018 at 8:59 AM, Rob Berendt <rob@xxxxxxxxx>

wrote:

Refresh my memory, did we already talk you through going

into

SST

and

seeing if your tape device is flagged as an alternate

installation

device?

And can it also be used as an alternate IPL device?

Thanks for talking, Rob. I think I d'oh suddenly figured it

out.

The

tape

works, it just won't boot. It's a type 21 GO SAVE.

But the source machine is a P7 and the target is P8. There's

no

way

that's

going to work, methinks.

Arrgh. Now I have to figure out how to migrate and fix this

system.

No

BRMS
restore-the-system report, since it's not done with BRMS.

Is there a magic incantation to reconnect the QS36F files with

their

data

definitions? My head hurtz ...


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