RE: Status unmatch HMC and Power 8 server. -- MIDRANGE-L

If that's true (IBM i hosting IBM i) you'll have to prove it by me. The menus are so convoluted that whoever designed them never managed a complex environment in their working life. Simply awful.

Properties on a LPAR. Virtually useless and it takes up an entire screen.
DLPAR, there but wholly crap did they bury it and make it hard
Points for SEA management but command line is faster.

One of the support guys sent me this link to videos explaining the new interface:

https://www.youtube.com/user/nigelargriffiths/videos

I've not seen them yet but Nigel is well thought of.

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From: MIDRANGE-L [mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Tsvetan Marinov
Sent: Friday, December 29, 2017 10:13 AM
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Subject: Re: Status unmatch HMC and Power 8 server.

IBM i hosting IBM i, exists using HMC V8R8.7.0. They've added it before they released the version and in theory all the actions/options should exists within 8.8.7.0 as per the old Classical view. I've also noticed that
8.8.7.0 is much more quicker and stable than 8.8.6.0. One thing IBM doesn't tell you straight is that with 8.8.7.0 they change the Call home connectivity to use the new IBM Edge infrastructure, which means new firewall rules for network team= PITA.

На пт, 29.12.2017 г. в 14:06 ч. Jim Oberholtzer <midrangel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
написа:

SP2 is certainly more stable than SP1. If you used the classic
interface the sizes of the windows constantly changing will drive you to distraction.
Rob is correct there are some things that simply do not exist in the
Enhanced+ environment. IBM i hosting IBM i being the major one.
Enhanced+ While
dynamic LPAR is there, it's a real PITA and if you just want to make a
temporary change (add a tape device for a special backup, then remove
it) it does not handle those things well.

While I understand Rob's reluctance to move to the command line, like
Larry I've been convinced it's the proper way to go if you manage more
than a couple of partitions or multiple machines on the HMC. Simpler
environments were the change is minimal, stay with the GUI.

There are some parts of the Enhanced+ interface that are really
excellent (SEA management for VIOS folks for instance) but that does
not make up for the poor design of the rest.

Memory on the HMC is critical. Consider a memory upgrade to the box
(cheap
too) to get as much memory as possible on the HMC.

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Subject: Re: Status unmatch HMC and Power 8 server.

I am running 8.8.6 SP2
I try to use the Enhanced View as much as possible. The main reason
is that IBM considers that the wave of the future and pretty soon the
Classic view will no longer be available. Therefore the more I use it
the more I can report to IBM what doesn't work so they get it fixed
before it's all I can use. That, and it will develop familiarity.
Some of the function isn't there in the enhanced view. Even more than
the enhanced graphics of the enhanced view IBM is grasping something
else as even more "wave of the future": Command line. Apparently
they are under the belief that "real men don't use graphics" and when
it comes to stuff people prefer the command line. I tend to disagree with much of that.

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From: Jack Kingsley <iseriesflorida@xxxxxxxxx>
To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion <midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: 12/23/2017 04:56 PM
Subject: Re: Status unmatch HMC and Power 8 server.
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How solid is 8.8.6 SP2

On Fri, Dec 22, 2017 at 9:18 AM, Jim Oberholtzer <
midrangel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

HMC 8.7 and the latest code of 8.8.6 have so many bugs I can't begin
to keep
them cataloged. I just installed a new 41A with an 8.7 HMC and it did
not
show those problems but I'm no surprised.

I just closed a PMR where the RMC connection was lost to two VIOS

servers.

Took them five days to get to a resolution. Meanwhile I had to

rebuild

100% of the SEAs and all communications to the partitions. That was
at 8.8.6.

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Rob

Berendt
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Subject: Re: Status unmatch HMC and Power 8 server.

But does the HMC and FSP every communicate? Like, can you start
5250 sessions? Can you look at the hardware? etc?
Basically if there is NO communication anymore that's one issue.
But if there is just no communication about the SRC changing during
startup

that's

a whole other issue.

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From: Tsutomu Fukuda <tufukuda@xxxxxxxxx>
To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion <midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: 12/21/2017 08:53 PM
Subject: Re: Status unmatch HMC and Power 8 server.
Sent by: "MIDRANGE-L" <midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx>

Hi Rob.

- never catch up to matching during startup and shutdown?

->YES.

- eventually match but there seems to be a lag time before they do?

->NO.

-Before update -
S814---SV860_109 (FW860.31)
HMC---MH01723 (V8R8.7.0 M0 Fix)

-> This is OK.

IBM CE told us that the FSP and HMC does not communicate from packet
capture.

The link you show me is very useful.

https://www-304.ibm.com/support/customercare/flrt/
matrix?domain=mtm=8286-41A
&pkey=pwr

Many thanks.

Tsutomu. Japan.

On Fri, Dec 22, 2017 at 1:28 AM, Rob Berendt <rob@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Very good.
Should be a good combination
https://www-304.ibm.com/support/customercare/flrt/
matrix?domain=mtm=8286-42A&pkey=pwr

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From: Tsutomu Fukuda <tufukuda@xxxxxxxxx>
To: midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: 12/21/2017 11:18 AM
Subject: Re: Status unmatch HMC and Power 8 server.
Sent by: "MIDRANGE-L" <midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx>

The HMC version is as follows.

MH01725 (V8R8.7.0 M1)

Kind Regards.

Tsutomu.

On Thu, Dec 21, 2017 at 4:04 PM, Tsutomu Fukuda
<tufukuda@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

Hi.

We have been using the Power 8 machine(S814). (which are
installed

i

7.3 )

There are problem as follows.

1)when start up (by HMC)

S814 server have already started with status STAND BY, but

C7004091

is

displayed on HMC yet.

2)when shutdown (by HMC)

S814 server had been shutdown but C19020 (or C19020FF) is
still displayed on HMC.

We push PF5 to refresh the screen of HMC every time.

Does anyone have those problems.

--------DSPFMWSTS---------------------
*ACTIVE SV860_127 MH01732
FW860.41

------ HMC Version ----------------------

We appreciate any advise.

Kind Regards.

Tsutomu.

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