Re: 10K Drives, Why not?

[DrFranken <midrange@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

VERY big difference 10K vs 15K but of course in this case it's also 
exacerbated by the 1.1TB size vs the 'usual' 300GB or occasional 600GB 
15K Drives. Round numbers whatever the 15K Drives take, double that for 
10K Drives.

If you watch the drives during init of the LS you will see this:

With RAID:

	The Load Source LED is pretty much solid on. One other drive is also 
solid on. Which drive that is changes as to where the RAID stripe data 
is for the sectors being initialized on the LS.

	Remember that for RAID there is a READ READ and then a WRITE WRITE for 
every sector updated. Four operations.

Before RAID:

	The Load Source LED is solid on.

	Before RAID there is only WRITE. Meaning 75% less I/Os to initialize 
the disk here.

However if RAID is already there, once the LS is initialized you may 
simply add the other disks to the ASP. If RAID is not present then you 
need to start it and since the LS already has data you pay the penalty 
then. We have found the graph to correspond approximately as this:

NO RAID:
|-a----+-b----------------------------------------+-c-|

RAID:
|-b--|-a-----------------------------------+-c--------|

a: Init Load Source
b: Start RAID
c: Add drives to ASP.

So as the man with the oil filter said: "You can pay me now or pay me 
later!"

As to initializing SAN disks we have NOT seen performance boost there. 
In fact much slower. First there is the time to create the volumes on 
the SAN and then the time for IBM i to initialize them!

        - Larry "DrFranken" Bolhuis

www.Frankeni.com
www.iDevCloud.com - Personal Development IBM i timeshare service.
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On 8/31/2017 12:09 PM, Roberto José Etcheverry Romero wrote:
> Dr,
> 10k or 15k I think the problem there lies in the RAID code. Most
> controllers from IBM i I've worked with have the same problem. If you are
> initializing the LS BEFORE starting raid, it goes fast enough. After RAID?
> slow as heck. Don't know why since it's just writing 0 to the disk. One of
> the reasons I love external SAN, 0 writes are detected by the controller
> and ignored...
> Have you seen a big difference between 10k and 15k on this matter?
>
> Roberto
>
> On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 1:05 PM, DrFranken <midrange@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> > Currently initializing the load source on a set of 10K RPM 1.1TB Drives
> > that are already in a RAID5 configuration.
> >
> > 764 minutes and counting.......
> >
> > That's just one of the 'why nots' :-)
> >
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