Re: Raid Configuration

On Fri, 2015-12-04 at 13:17 -0500, DrFranken wrote:

> On a couple of curious side questions, does the i support interleaved
> raid/5/6 or only parity disks?

It is interleaved. That is every drive in the set has stripes of parity
on it. It is possible though no longer recommended to add additional
unstripped disks to an existing RAID set.

> Also does it do read checking - read
> all data and check the read data against the previously written
> parity?

Yes. Whenever the system isn't very busy the RAID cards happily roll
through the disks verifying them. This can be observed by watching the
LBLs when the system is doing little or nothing. It's 'pretty' :-)

:-) I miss looking at the lights, but I do not miss the noise :-O

I should perhaps have clarified that a bit, on the fly parity checking.
for each disk read to supply program data, it checks the validity of the
disk data against the raid checksums. (Or some other method.)

- Larry "DrFranken" Bolhuis

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On 12/4/2015 12:12 PM, Wilson, Jonathan wrote:

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On Fri, 2015-12-04 at 07:46 -0500, Steve Pavlichek wrote:

RAID6 is a little slower due to 2 parity drives but better protection.
I usually recommend RAID5 with hot spare

You also have choices of Performance or Capacity option when starting RAID.
Performance option will give you 2 RAID sets and Capacity will give you 1
set.

My gut feeling would be to go with raid6. With larger disks and the
statistical chance of a URE kicking a drive starting to fall within the
total amount of data needing to be read to re-build a set it makes more
sense. (Although statistically it may be small, and not evenly
distributed between multiple drives, confusing the issue further.)

My gut also says: if 8 drives are first turned on on the same day and
one fails then you can bet another will also fail as it has the same
life span/hours of use.

Added into all of that, if a raid set was 100% utilised the chances are
than on a normal yearly workload only 20% of that data might be accessed
regularly. Rebuilding a degraded raid set will hit 100% of all the disks
hammering the heads all over the place for many hours, touching that 80%
for the first time in years... if its going to fail, that would
definitely be the time another one of the disks decided to URE.

While raid/6 is slower, the question has to be: will the additional
overhead/reduction in write, and/or read, IO make a noticeable impact on
the workload thrown at it, or is a case of it being slower, but no one
would ever know unless the system were under spec'd with 100% disk
utilisation workloads.

Here's a link to Sue Bakers parity set Techdoc
https://www-03.ibm.com/support/techdocs/atsmastr.nsf/WebIndex/TD105880

That's an interesting read. I'm guessing that with dual raid6 sets, its
similar to creating a raid/0 (stripe) over the top of two raid/6 sets.

I vaguely recall that the "400" (and possibly 36/38) didn't create
stripes or JBOD's (possibly multi-volume, fill disk1 first, then 2,
etc.) but instead used some form of "scatter gun" approach where it
spread the data across the devices, but did so in a non-uniform way
based on the data and not the disk layout. Mind you, when I heard/read
this it was years and years ago, so my understanding might not have been
correct.

-----Original Message-----
From: Gad Miron
Sent: Friday, December 04, 2015 3:41 AM
To: midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Raid Configuration

To the Hardware guys

a quick one:

Due to replacing 3 SSDs installed for test puposes with (the original) 3
HDDs
The BP is breaking the existing RAID5 set of 15 HDDs and is going to build
a 18 HDDs
RAID5 set (adding 3 HDDs)

My question, should we build istead a RAID6 set ?
what are the pros & cons?

This is a 8286 41A P8 machine with 18 283GB 15K discs all in the CEC
(plus 8 more in expansion 5887)
I believe that there is a EJ0P on-board controller .

So RAID5 or RAID6 ?

thanks
gad
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