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RE: What's the median age of the developers in your shop?

Henrik,

You and I basically agree, the knowledge of the older (nee: more experienced) worker is critical to the efficiency of the development process. The younger worker (nee: less experienced) has to work harder and longer to achieve the same result. Business and industry experience are part of that equation and as important as the ability to program in IOS vs. IBM i for instance.

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-----Original Message-----
From: MIDRANGE-L [mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Henrik Rützou
Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2015 5:10 PM
To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion
Subject: Re: What's the median age of the developers in your shop?

Jim



You are out in deep water here. Age is not the problem but current and updated knowledge is not only related to programming but also related to the task you are programming for. These goes hand in hand.



You can be an excellent programmer – but if you have no knowledge of how to calculate the result of a time chartered vessel doing a “ballast leg” you isn’t able to make a system that is able to show the economical result of the “ballast leg” before you get a possible charter and thereby if the charter is profitable.

On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 11:58 PM, Justin Dearing <zippy1981@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

Its also one justification for higher hourly rates by older contractors.



On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 5:56 PM Jim Oberholtzer <
midrangel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

Gerald,

I'm not seeking information like that now, so I can't answer your
question
with survey data. My experience across a wide range of customers is
the younger folks tend to be more driven and work longer hours to
achieve the same level of efficiency as the older folks do in 40
hours. Eventually they hours/efficiency curve merge at after about
15 years in the business.
That
does not necessarily translate into more hours on the job for the
younger folks, just longer to provide deliverables.

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Jim Oberholtzer
Chief Technical Architect
Agile Technology Architects


-----Original Message-----
From: MIDRANGE-L [mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of Gerald Magnuson
Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2015 4:47 PM
To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion
Subject: Re: What's the median age of the developers in your shop?

you are finding young people wanting to work over 40 hours per week?
we find our younger developers are strict 8 to 5...
now we do find they spend off hours reading and surfing to better
their craft...

On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 4:39 PM, Jim Oberholtzer <
midrangel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Holger,

We are finding on the west coast of the US, California primarily
but the entire coast, is about half the developers working in the
tech sector never went to additional schooling after high school.
They get hired on, work
80-90 hours/week and in two years are as productive as 10 year
vets in
the
industry. What they don't have is the industry and life experiences
needed
to produce applications that are effective in a business environment.
Companies are relying on those of us with some grey hair to
provide that perspective.

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Jim Oberholtzer
Chief Technical Architect
Agile Technology Architects


-----Original Message-----
From: MIDRANGE-L [mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Holger Scherer
Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2015 4:35 PM
To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion
Subject: Re: What's the median age of the developers in your shop?

Maybe this will help your determination - here in Germany i know
of a lot of IBM i shops where >50% of the developers do not have
any grade which is IT related...

-h




Am 11.06.15 um 23:29 schrieb Jim Oberholtzer:

This is but one small slice of data used to determine the
suggested directions.

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