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Paul, I just did a comparison of our backup times and ours are not that much different in times either. I think for the hassle the recovery presents with having Entire, Full and Cumulative changes involved I will do the same. I have enough time prior to the DR test to "simplify" it some what then consider the other points Jim brought up. Thanks for your input. (Always nice to know what others are using and doing)...... Laura Roberts From: "Steinmetz, Paul" <PSteinmetz@xxxxxxxxxx> To: "'Midrange Systems Technical Discussion'" <midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>, Date: 12/05/2015 07:34 AM Subject: RE: BRMS Recovery Script Questions Sent by: "MIDRANGE-L" <midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx> I experienced the mentioned issues when I migrated from P5 to P7. As Jim stated, they never work 100%. We did change our save to simplify the recovery. Compare you weekly save time to your daily changed objects. In our case there was not much difference, so we got rid of changed objects, do a full save every night, 2 hours, LTO5 HH Fiber. Simplifies the recovery. Another thing we found was that we need to customize the BRMS recovery report so 100% recovery is possible. This is still work in progress. IFS locked objects is our biggest outstanding issue, and it is only getting worse as more of the newer apps are using the IFS. Paul -----Original Message----- From: MIDRANGE-L [mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jim Oberholtzer Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2015 8:44 AM To: 'Midrange Systems Technical Discussion' Subject: RE: BRMS Recovery Script Questions ;-) More for the Archives that you Rob. I suspect all of your systems are fully recoverable and properly tested. -- Jim Oberholtzer Chief Technical Architect Agile Technology Architects -----Original Message----- From: MIDRANGE-L [mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of rob@xxxxxxxxx Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2015 7:40 AM To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion Subject: RE: BRMS Recovery Script Questions I totally agree with you. I even stated that it was more of a migration than a DR test. What more can I say? Other than to not have brought it up in the first place? Rob Berendt -- IBM Certified System Administrator - IBM i 6.1 Group Dekko Dept 1600 Mail to: 2505 Dekko Drive Garrett, IN 46738 Ship to: Dock 108 6928N 400E Kendallville, IN 46755 http://www.dekko.com From: "Jim Oberholtzer" <midrangel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: "'Midrange Systems Technical Discussion'" <midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx> Date: 05/12/2015 08:34 AM Subject: RE: BRMS Recovery Script Questions Sent by: "MIDRANGE-L" <midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx> That's not a real recovery test. That just tests IBM's code for the umpteenth time. A real recovery test is to pick a date within the last 14 days and recover to it with the tapes that are normally generated. In all the recovery tests I've done for customers (many on to Agile's equipment) I've never seen the first one work, rarely the second one, and generally the third one gets into the acceptable range (meaning the company could continue business with some additional work to follow) The only recovery tests that do work are the ones that have been done several times with the backup routines changed to match the recovery plan/requirements. -- Jim Oberholtzer Chief Technical Architect Agile Technology Architects -----Original Message----- From: MIDRANGE-L [mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of rob@xxxxxxxxx Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2015 7:08 AM To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion Subject: RE: BRMS Recovery Script Questions When I did a brms recovery it was from a brms full save immediately prior. More of a migration than a DR test. However, I did do 11 migrations this way. Rob Berendt -- IBM Certified System Administrator - IBM i 6.1 Group Dekko Dept 1600 Mail to: 2505 Dekko Drive Garrett, IN 46738 Ship to: Dock 108 6928N 400E Kendallville, IN 46755 http://www.dekko.com From: "Steinmetz, Paul" <PSteinmetz@xxxxxxxxxx> To: "'midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx'" <midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx> Date: 05/11/2015 03:47 PM Subject: RE: BRMS Recovery Script Questions Sent by: "MIDRANGE-L" <midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx> 1) Are your weekly and daily saves dedicated, SWA, or other? 2) Do you intentional omit any library objects and/or IFS objects? I did a similar test back in May 2013. 1) Missed and locked objects from the save were was the main reason for recovery issues. 2) Recovery of IFS from an IFS changed object save also had issues. Paul -----Original Message----- From: MIDRANGE-L [mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of LRoberts@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Monday, May 11, 2015 2:46 PM To: midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: BRMS Recovery Script Questions Hi, We will be performing a DR test next month on a system supplied by IBM for our test. We will be using BRMS Recovery script for the first time. I have a couple of questions in regards to the BRMS recovery script if anyone would like to share their expertise it would be very much appreciated. Background: We are on V7.1 Cume TL14283 and TR 9 Our recovery strategy includes 3 media tapes: (as we do not perform *savsys nightly) and yes we save our access paths with each save. 1. *savsys (monthly) entire system save Media: SI0176 2. *savlib (weekly) Media: SI0159 3. *savchgobj (daily cumulative) Media: SI0009 Questions: 1. Update System Name in the BRMS Media Information step: In a DR test and restoring from savsys would the local network and default local location on the new test system be the same anyway or am I missing something ? 2. In the step of :Recover Required System Libraries: (snapshot below) Can I select all 6 selections below all at once even though the media switches back and forth weekly to daily at each library and the fact that daily is a *Cuml type. Is BRMS smart enough to do the savlib and savchgobj restore. Or does it make sense for me to only select just the weekly ones first then does the screen come back to be able to select the daily ones (speed perspective) so not to have to unload tape media so often ? (Embedded image moved to file: pic27901.gif) 3. Has anyone used the Recover Media sets concurrently step ? Pros/Cons 4. 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