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Re: latest packaging of IBM Rational Developer for i

Don't get too much into the self-flaggelation Bill - Rational really really make it hard and the BPs are not well educated on the Rational stuff. Part of the problem is that they keep changing the packaging and pricing options.

Just go home - have a beer and be happy!


On 2013-07-26, at 5:22 PM, broehmer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:

Jon:
And the thing is I was so careful when I told the BP that I knew there was
a difference between the software and
the hardware side of maintenance for Rational (I really did!) but I didn't
totally understand the implications and I failed
to follow up because I never saw the final contract. So I really have
myself to blame for a part of it. Why would
anyone sell a 1 year non-renewable when there's money to be made with the
renewable?

Thanks Jon.
Always a pleasure.
Bill



From:
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To:
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Date:
07/26/2013 04:09 PM
Subject:
Re: latest packaging of IBM Rational Developer for i
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Sounds like your BP sold you the one year non-renewable version - although
I didn't think that 3 year maint was an option with that.

You will never get me to disagree with you if you say that Rational's
licensing policy is illogical, confusing, and even plain stupid. It amazes
me that they ever sell anything.


On 2013-07-26, at 4:29 PM, broehmer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:

Jon:
Beg to disagree Ours "lapsed" at the end of the first
year. We bought it with our Power 7 upgrade with 6.1
in 2011. The SMA was for 3 years. Nobody, including our
IBM partner, told us that it would expire.
Rational is not IBM and yet the confusion continues...




From:
Jon Paris <jon.paris@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To:
Midrange Systems Technical Discussion <midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>,
Date:
07/26/2013 03:14 PM
Subject:
Re: latest packaging of IBM Rational Developer for i
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If you have software maintenance it never "lapses".

No version has been free since (I think V7 of WDSC) - it all changed at
V6
of IBM i. If you have 8.5 then somebody paid for it at some time and
apparently didn't get the perpetual license and support.

There has been extensive discussion on the various pricing options for
V9
recently on the WDSC-L list. Including the option to trade in seats of
PDM/SEU etc.


On 2013-07-26, at 3:24 PM, broehmer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:

FWIW:
We did the same thing about a month ago. We waded through the Rational

people as well as IBM and
found out that the new RDI 9.0 is not free and our current 8.5 lapsed.
If
you don't stay on top of your
current "contract" prices have gone up and are over 900 per seat but
are

cheaper (550 ?) if you are
current. Really don't have a good case to sell management when not
much

has been improved in
9.0.




From:
J Franz <franz400@xxxxxxx>
To:
Midrange Systems Technical Discussion <midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>,
Date:
07/26/2013 02:16 PM
Subject:
latest packaging of IBM Rational Developer for i
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What is the latest "name" and approx per seat price of RDI or whatever
called now?
I just spent 20 minutes on IBM site and am more confused than when I
started.
Do not want to chat or talk to a Partner...(I'm not authorized to speak

for the corp).
I need info to make a case to the people above.

per seat clients for usual rpg, rpgle,dds, cl
per seat clients for building web service programs on i (SOA
construction?)
Have not made it to Common in several years so my terminology is
outdated.


The confusion is google brings up old and new pages. Shouldn't have to
register to find a base price.
Currently have the Win XP version of WDSC and others using green screen

SEU.
Jim
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