Re: cloud backup services

[Tim Bronski <tim.bronski@xxxxxxxxx>]

Firstly let me say that I have nowhere near your experience with HA and 
DR and I did preface my post with "rather than a full DR" but it can be 
done...firstly of course you'll need to restore a copy of our software. 
I either FTP an image from my PC or download my image from Dropbox and 
ftp it to my IBMi. Once the software is restored you can use one of our 
commands that is essentially a RSTLIB *ALLUSR and provide it the name of 
the dropbox folder and file/image that you've previously saved. If 
you've saved each library as its own file then you can request a 
"download and restore" of every image in a particular folder. The 
folders could correspond to a particular back date/time...you do the 
naming. DR wasn't the reason to develop this product but you can 
certainly backup and restore objects and libraries.

On 7/26/2013 4:06I'  PM, DrFranken wrote:
> Sounds kinda cool but let me ask a question:
>
> So my system just got flooded and IBM brought be a brand new system.
> I've reloaded my savsys and IBM libraries and am ready to restore my
> users/ programs/ data.
>
> What are the steps to do that from DropBox with your software?
>
>           - Larry "DrFranken" Bolhuis
>
> www.frankeni.com
> www.iDevCloud.com
> www.iInTheCloud.com
>
> On 7/26/2013 9:21 AM, Tim Bronski wrote:
>
> > If you're looking for something that will let you do more transactional
> > backups rather than a full DR then you might want to have a look at our
> > Dropbox app for IBM i. It's a free product that lets you move data
> > between your IBMi and Dropbox. We're currently connecting it with our
> > SAVE product that let's you do encrypted backups so you'll be able to
> > save and restore directly from Dropbox.
> >
> > www.arpeggiosoftware.com
> >
> > On 7/26/2013 2:14 PM, Mike Cunningham wrote:
> > > It's good to see we have considered the same issues as we talked here. We currently have around 750GB used space on a 1.2TB system. We do a full user library backup and a full IFS (we store scanned documents in the IFS) backup nightly. We do not do only changed objects. Makes restore so much easier. We do a full system save monthly. If we made this change I would still do the system save and have it local, off site in a vault. I would probably still keep a tape of the nightly backup locally for quick access for non-disaster restores and instead of driving the tapes to the vault daily, replicate the backup to the cloud.
> > >
> > > Option 1 below sounds like what I was considering.
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: DrFranken [mailto:midrange@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > > Sent: Friday, July 26, 2013 7:14 AM
> > > To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion
> > > Cc: Mike Cunningham
> > > Subject: Re: cloud backup services
> > >
> > > <Vendor Response>
> > >
> > > At iInTheCloud.com we offer two cloud based backup options.
> > >
> > > 1- Back up to a local Crossroads SPHiNX VTL which is then replicated automatically to our SPHiNX.
> > > 	- Advantage is fast backups with a local copy for fast restores.
> > > 	- Automatic off-site copy as soon as the backup completes.
> > >
> > > 2- Use PowerHA or Mimix or MaxAva or ... to replicate data to a partition in our cloud. Backups are then done on our system and you have no outage whatever.
> > > 	- Advantage is data is ALWAYS off site and current there.
> > > 	- Advantage is bandwidth is much less as only changes cross the wire and they do so all day long as they occur.
> > > 	- Disadvantage is a local restore is hard because the backups are with us!
> > >
> > > </Vendor Response>
> > >
> > > 	Nathan's response pointed out one issue with backups to the cloud:
> > > Bandwidth! You need a bunch in most cases unless you can really figure out what to back up each night. Change 1 row in a 500,000,000 row table and you get to send the entire table with that night's backup. If you were replicating to a remote server or partition ONLY that one change
> > > goes across so its done instantly.	
> > >
> > > 	ALSO COnsider that until the ENTIRE backup has been copied off-site you got NOTHIN off site. Partial doesn't do you much good. With replication you're current off site almost continuously.
> > >
> > > 	Just some points to ponder.....
> > >
> > >             - Larry "DrFranken" Bolhuis
> > >
> > > www.frankeni.com
> > > www.iDevCloud.com
> > > www.iInTheCloud.com
> > >
> > > On 7/25/2013 10:46 PM, Mike Cunningham wrote:
> > >
> > > > Is anyone using cloud backup services for iSeries nightly backups? If you are how much data are you sending nightly and what service are you using?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Mike Cunningham
> > > > VP for Information Technology Services/CIO Pennsylvania College of
> > > > Technology www.pct.edu<http://www.pct.edu/>