RE: IBM i Now Supports USB Flash Drives

["Don" <dr2@xxxxxxxx>]

Windows box?  4-6tb after you do the obligatory PID reinstall since Windows
backup sucks?  A long weekend...

And, no, I'm NOT advocating using this as a primary backup schema for an
AS/400(or whatever it's called).  But it's certainly worth looking into and
has been in the back of my mind for a while...   I don't see any reason why
not (given A LOT of givens!) that you couldn't just binary FTP savf's of
data to an offline server farm, given that you have the bandwidth, DASD,
etc....etc...  Clearly, you won't want to plan on doing a recovery IPL from
a windows server farm... :)



-----Original Message-----
From: midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jack Kingsley
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2013 7:19 PM
To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion
Subject: Re: IBM i Now Supports USB Flash Drives

Don, if you had to rebuild your system, how long do you figure it would
take you using your current backup method.

On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 7:14 PM, Jim Oberholtzer <midrangel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> wrote:

> The point of the original post was not for keeping a save file for
> occasional backups or transferring files, yes we have been doing that
> for some time. The poster was considering using a USB attached device
> for a primary back up medium. Larry's point was USB attached storage of
> that type will be too slow and unreliable as compared to tape.
>
> If your discussing Winders, then make sure you point that out, since not
> everyone on the list will understand it.
>
> Jim Oberholtzer
> Chief Technical Architect
> Agile Technology Architects
>
> On 2/5/13 5:53 PM, Don wrote:
> > Jim,
> >
> > I was talking in a WINDOWS environment..and I do system transfers and
> > recoveries in that environment ALL THE TIME....  Usually a minimum of
500
> > gig a pop...1+tb's is a norm....NO PROBLEMS...NO DATA LOSS....
> >
> > As for using it in an "I" environment....uh, how many of us have been
> doing
> > binary FTP's of save files for how long now????   And, yes, it works
JUST
> > FINE!:)
> >
> > DR2
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> > [mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jim Oberholtzer
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2013 6:49 PM
> > To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion
> > Subject: Re: IBM i Now Supports USB Flash Drives
> >
> > And when was the last time you did a real recovery from that device? Not
> > just an object or two but a real recovery on IBM i?
> >
> > Jim Oberholtzer
> > Chief Technical Architect
> > Agile Technology Architects
> >
> > On 2/5/13 4:45 PM, Don wrote:
> > > > With all due respect to Dr. Franken, I've been using WD USB attached
> > > > external drives for offline server storage/backup/recovery for about
10
> > > > years now without any problems that I wouldn't encounter in a tape
> > > > environment...:)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > [mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of DrFranken
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2013 5:07 PM
> > > > To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion
> > > > Subject: Re: IBM i Now Supports USB Flash Drives
> > > >
> > > > Good theory I suppose but USB 2.0 is nowhere near the speed of LTO
> > > > (35MB/s theoretical vs 120MB for LTO4 and 140MB for LTO5)
> > > >
> > > > Plus I wouldn't personally trust that 'el-cheapo' WD drive as much as
I
> > > > would an LTO tape when being transported on and off-site. RDX is much
> > > > better suited for that.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >           - Larry "DrFranken" Bolhuis
> > > >
> > > > www.frankeni.com
> > > > www.iDevCloud.com
> > > > www.iInTheCloud.com
> > > >
> > > > On 2/5/2013 4:52 PM, Don wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > > > > If you have USB availability, why can't you then attached
external
> > drives
> > > > > > > > for offline backup, etc?  I can get a 4tb WD external for a few
> hundred
> > > > > > > > bucks...should be LOTS faster than tape and not to mention
> CHEAPER!:)
> > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > > From:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > > > > [mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Scott
> Klement
> > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2013 4:41 PM
> > > > > > > > To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion
> > > > > > > > Subject: Re: IBM i Now Supports USB Flash Drives
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I was actually just listening to that info, here:
> > > > > > > > http://bit.ly/WLpWOS
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Some pretty neat stuff in TR6
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On 2/5/2013 3:22 PM, Bryan Dietz wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > http://ibmsystemsmag.blogs.com/i_can/
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Holy cow!  Brain is spinning....
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > <snip>
> > > > > > > > > > > > Today, IBM is adding support to use USB Flash Drives as a
> second type
> > of
> > > > > > > > > > > > RMS technology. Flash drives can hold as much data as
> multiple DVDs
> > and
> > > > > > > > > > > > can typically access the data much faster. This allows a much
> more
> > > > > > > > > > > > convenient way to move data (either IFS or save data) to
> another
> > > > > > > > > > > > machine. IBM does not qualify nor recommended any particular
> device,
> > but
> > > > > > > > > > > > typical USB 2.0 devices from 2 to 32GB have been used in our
> testing.
> > > > > > > > > > > > </snip>
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Bryan
> > > > --
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