RE: [WDSCI-L] RDP: Are we our own worst enemy? -- MIDRANGE-L

The LPEX editors in RDP are fairly awful and need to be improved. Those of us who work regularly in wonderful Java editors in the very same RDP workspace are always aghast at just how clunky and awkward LPEX is.

My suggestions:

Get rid of the line numbers on the left. I have a mouse; I don't need CC,CC,A to copy a section of code. It's an SEU throwback that is in the way of progress.

Put in a descent find/replace with regex support. Make it a popup window instead of that silly box at the bottom. Don't reposition my code/cursor when I hit ctrl-f.

Keep the outline up-to-date. I don't want to wait while an outline generates.

The enter key should break the line at the position of the cursor. If I want five blank lines, I'll hit the enter key five times.

Come up with some annotation comments and link them to the editor so I can hover the mouse cursor over, say, a sub-procedure name and the comments block (perhaps from some other source member) is diplayed in a temporary text box. Use the javadoc methods, if necessary.

I can come up with more. I'll bet others have favorites, too.

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From: midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of whatt sson
Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2012 7:36 AM
To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion
Subject: Re: [WDSCI-L] RDP: Are we our own worst enemy?

I like RDP, of course, there is no alternative besides SEU/PDM.

But i'm not quite impressed with the quality of it.

Version 8.5 was unworkable (stale source members).

Now i'm on 8.5.1 and the "content assist" feature works, sometimes.
If i'm editing DDS sometimes it gets very very slow (i already tweaked the JVM options and have 4Gb on board).
It's processing in the background, but unlike e.g. Eclipse/Java it interferes with my typing.
Regularly, in the DDS editor, i'm waiting for several seconds before the cursor actually moves.
Really frustrating.

We're now on version 8.5.1, maybe it gets better.
I use it all the time, because the editor gives me more lines and is much better than SEU (of course).

But i really do not want to miss SEU, and especially not PDM.
It's really fast to look up something, etc.

On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 2:08 PM, <rob@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

After spending money on having some excellent talent come on site to
teach CODE (been awhile) I really feel that we hurt ourselves by not
securing/renaming/deleting SEU and PDM. Granted, there may be some
things that PDM may still be your preference for but a 30 day lockout
would have encouraged the team to really give it a try and to get over
the temptation to use the older set.

Rob Berendt
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From: <paultherrien@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: "'Rational Developer for IBM i / Websphere Development Studio
Client for System i & iSeries'" <wdsci-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>, "'Midrange
Systems Technical Discussion'" <midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>,
Date: 12/18/2012 08:01 AM
Subject: RE: [WDSCI-L] RDP: Are we our own worst enemy?
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Thanks Rob, I will be able to use this to help plan a demo/class for
my co-workers who are absolutely stuck in SEU.

Paul

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Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2012 6:28 AM
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Subject: Re: [WDSCI-L] RDP: Are we our own worst enemy?

I went to
http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/
and at the search box at the top right I typed in Rational developer
for power.

The first hit was a free trial download
http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/downloads/r/rdp/

Second was a "What's new"
http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/rational/products/rdp/release.html

Third was an overview
http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/rational/products/rdp/

But hold your horses! Check out the link entitled "Enterprise
Modernization Sandbox for Power Systems" available at
http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/downloads/emsandbox_power/index.html
There's a whole set of labs available! Check out the section
"Scripted, hands-on exercises you can try in the Sandbox".

There's a good start.

Rob Berendt
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IBM Certified System Administrator - IBM i 6.1 Group Dekko Dept 1600
Mail
to: 2505 Dekko Drive
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From: rob@xxxxxxxxx
To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion <midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>,
Date: 12/18/2012 07:11 AM
Subject: RDP: Are we our own worst enemy?
Sent by: midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx

I changed the subject since I'm guessing that many people stopped
following this thread.

I think Booth's comments below are awesome and this needs to be heard,
which is why I changed the subject line. Please read and pay
attention, especially to the last paragraph.

Rob Berendt

From: Booth Martin <booth@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion <midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>,
Date: 12/17/2012 03:34 PM
Subject: Re: something unrelated
Sent by: midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx

Buck is on to something here. Are we, as a group, using the product
the way we should or are we limiting ourselves with our own falsely imposed
constraints?

In reading Buck's comment, I'd concur that Rdp does in fact blow the
doors off SEU. It is a great product. I do love what it does; it
works, and it has so much more to offer than SEU. Mostly, that "more"
includes a future.

Where am I going with this? Well, it also occurs to me that Rdp no
doubt does way more than i know, including lots of features I don't
yet realize I need but we as an interest group are staying stuck in the 90s.

Where are the Youtube tutorials on how to get the most of Rdp? Where
are the web sites with examples, screen shots, and tips and solutions?
Where is a ibrary of snippets (whatever they are)? I just did a
Google search and what little there is is 2+ years old.

On 12/17/2012 2:00 PM, Buck Calabro wrote:

RDP blows the doors off of SEU, and I say that as a 25+ year veteran
of SEU. And frankly, it isn't a GUI vs green screen thing for me,
because the green screen XEDIT blew the doors off of SEU in the
1990s and SEU has not changed since then.

This isn't a theoretical 'throw out the old at your peril' sort of
thing, it's an actual end-user's experience report, and it's not a
decision made on an emotional need to squee over the latest and
greatest, but on decades of actual use. RDP is not merely newer than
SEU, it's better than SEU. Yes, this is my opinion, and I it's my
hope that it is read as another data point and not a divisive line
between 'us' and 'them.'

--buck

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Booth Martin
802-461-5349
http://www.martinvt.com

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