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RE: Software Vendors (And US too) - A small rant

And if IBM hadn't played internal politics and had listened to the user community i OS would not belong to Apple. Great marketing step that.

But as you say, if we want to stay with IBM we have to go along with IBM wanting to brand themselves as a hardware company.

Then again considering how well they listened to us, and Oracle controlling Java (another great step on IBM's part), maybe moving off IBM wouldn't be such a bad thing. Sacrilege I know but maybe the hard truth.

-----Original Message-----
From: midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Trevor Perry
Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2012 7:36 PM
To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion
Subject: Re: Software Vendors (And US too) - A small rant

The rebranding is no longer in the equation. IBM have given us the IBM i branding to match their Power brand, and it will be with us for the long term.

Either we, as a community, promote the current and future branding, or we will be left behind in the DP department. And, with all the noise from the MS crowd (and even Unix people), and some of our own community, we need to support this incredible platform for the long term, not its glorious past.
The challenge is to stop using arguments that keep us mired in the old names and stuck in old ways of doing things.


On 12/11/12 10:08 PM, "John Jones" <chianime@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Generally I don't like the rebranding. I believe it dilutes a
product's significance in the marketplace and, in the case of tech
products at least, decreases mind share among those who aren't
intimately familiar with the products.

That said, I work in IT. Which used to be MIS. Which was IS before
that and Data Processing before that.

So maybe IBM's rebranding efforts are just keeping pace with the rest
of the tech sector.

On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 8:44 PM, Trevor Perry <trevor@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Robert,

You seem to have fallen prey to some weird sense of time. It has been
(next month), FIVE years since the name change. In I.T., that is an
eternity - and way longer than a week.

And, we have seen charts supporting that through 2025:

http://ibmsystemsmag.blogs.com/you_and_i/2012/12/future-of-ibm-i-caac-
buz
z.
html

It's probably time to pack up that old and tired myth and send it to
the
AS/400 cave. While your clients use old branding, you don't need to.
If you say "IBM i" like it is the current branding, they will get
used to it.
If not, don't argue, just persist with the correct branding. You can
support the platform, even if they don't care to.



On 12/11/12 9:31 PM, "Robert Munday" <rwmunday@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

But with IBM changing the name as often as they have and do, how is
an independent rent-a-programmer like me supposed to keep up? I
still
have
clients who call it "the 400". They pay the bills so they are free
to call it anything they desire. I personally use "iSeries". My
most recent client uses the term "iSeries". If I were selling
software in
the
example you site, then I would need to know and use the "IBM Name Of
The
Week"... whatever that is this week. I personally don't know.



Robert Munday
Munday Software Consultants
Montgomery, AL



-----Original Message-----
From: DrFranken <midrange@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Dec 11, 2012 6:29 PM
To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion <midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Software Vendors (And US too) - A small rant

I know of a company including several persons there personally
including
the person who made the mistake. They were asked by a huge
potential customer what their systems ran on. The response:
"AS/400". The
customer
immediately and finally closed discussions with: "Yeah well IBM
quit making those over a decade ago so you clearly don't have the
ability
to
support our needs with that." Game over. No explanations,
backpedaling,
clarification, could help. The potential customer believed it was a
mindset. What does the company really use? IBM i 7.1 on POWER7.
Oops.

Names matter.

- Larry "DrFranken" Bolhuis

On 12/11/2012 5:06 PM, Jim Oberholtzer wrote:
Note to software vendors: If you want me to consider your
software
for
the IBM i operating environment running on Power Systems, please
do
not
call it, iSeries, AS/400, System i, or my personal favorite
System/38.
Clearly if you don't know the name of the system your working on
I cannot trust your software. Most of the vendors monitor this
list
and
don't hand me the line: "That's what our customers call it....."
Don't
correct the customer but always use the correct terminology when
you are speaking and guess what, they will start using it too....

What brought this rant on? Three calls today from vendors asking
if I
would like to talk about their iSeries or AS/400 products.....
Geesh..
Now I'm starting to sound a bit like Trevor without the accent.....

I'll be quiet now.


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