Thanks for more info Jim
.....the remove media info and run cleanup operations we do every day
.....and the defaults for those are yes

But the reorg the data base had the biggest impact for us
......and that is the default that changed

Again, run it, it will make a big difference
.....and as Jim stated, it should have minimal impact on the system's just part of our weekend routine

Set it to automatically run somewhere

Terry Nonamaker

-----Original Message-----
From: midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jim Oberholtzer
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2012 9:40 AM
To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion
Subject: Re: BRMS suddenly requires second tape? - please read

(V7 information)

There are two parts of BRMS Maintenance that need to be run, and I do it
every day on my client machines:

Remove Media Information should be set to remove expired media data
including media content.
Run Cleanup Operations should also be *YES

I also allow BRMS to change journal receivers, and reorganize the database.
These two options can be done less frequently but they should be at least

It's the remove media information and the clean up that really saves space
in the QUSRBRM objects.

In my view, best practice has the BRMS Maintenance procedure run a short
time after all the save activity is done for the day. It can run in the
middle of the day if desired, no real system impact should detectable,
except maybe the first time it's run.

Jim Oberholtzer
Chief Technical Architect
Agile Technology Architects

On 9/13/2012 11:14 AM, Terry Nonamaker wrote:
Possibly the expired idea is not the appropriate thought ....but the
following should be run from time to time ....we run it once a week would be surprised what a difference it can make we had
a situation similar to this when we went to v6r1

StrMntBrm RgzBrmDb(*Yes)

Right now, I can't remember what it was ......but a policy parameter
changed defaults on v6r1 and this was part of it

Although the physical tapes actually expire ....the data containing
that info in QUSRBRM does not get cleared out

Try this, I bet it helps


-----Original Message-----
[mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jim Oberholtzer
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2012 5:28 AM
To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion
Subject: Re: BRMS suddenly requires second tape?

Interesting thought Terry but I can't think of any process in BRMS
maintenance that might cause an extra tape mount. If one file on the
tape is still current (not expired) then BRMS will not expire the tape
volume either.

Still, running BRMS maintenance every day is still a best practice.

Jim Oberholtzer
Chief Technical Architect
Agile Technology Architects

On 9/13/2012 7:12 AM,rob@xxxxxxxxx wrote:
BRMS tells you what tapes to mount. It's not going to tell you to
mount a tape if the tape has unexpired files on it. For example,
if I use BRMS to back up my daily data and put 14 days retention
on it, and my quarterly data and put 400 days retention on it,
BRMS won't tell me to call Iron Mountain and ask for those tapes
until those days are

I suppose you could have done something outside of BRMS, like
stored a file on there with permanent retention.

Rob Berendt
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6928N 400E Kendallville, IN 46755 From: "Terry
Nonamaker"<TNonamaker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: "'Midrange Systems
Technical Discussion'"<midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>, Date: 09/12/2012
05:43 PM Subject: RE: BRMS suddenly requires second tape? Sent by:
midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx I have not read all the other
responses But, are you sure the tapes are being properly expired
thru BRMS maintenance ......has anything, however subtle, changed
in your normal process that this might not run? Just a thought
Terry Nonamaker -----Original Message-----
[mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of John McKee Sent:
Wednesday, September 12, 2012 2:14 PM To: Midrange Systems
Technical Discussion Subject: Re: BRMS suddenly requires second
tape? I know you esponded that it was not likely. I am wondering
what using the tape less might do to accumulating temporary write
errors. Wouldn't the tape still wear out, even if it took a lot
longer to do so? I was just tossing that out from my ancient
experience with 9 track tape.
Watching the drive toss several feet for a temporary write was
interesting to watch. Running a PRTERRLOG and checking the general
errors and errors specific to tapes from the past few days still
might show something, wouldn't it? I have no knowledge of BRMS,
so, again, this goes back to old experience. John McKee On Wed,
Sep 12, 2012 at
3:42 PM, Gerald Kern<jp2558@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> "I'm not a BRMS expert but to me having that QUSRBRM on a
> tape would be a big advantage if you had to do a full system
> Agreed Larry - but the cost for tapes just for that would be
> "Could tape have temporary write errors? I'm wondering if bad
> areas are being skipped."
> Not likely John since we use different tapes each day.
> " I print this to a PDF file on a daily basis and store it on
> servers in multiple countries."
> Whoa Rob - I thought I was cool just by having my reports in
> in gmail and yahoo...;) But three countries = uber cool!
> --
> Thanks, Jerry
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