Why would you think that, Tom? Where did I say anything about stealing
anything? Where did I say that I was working for my current employer at the
time?

Just to ease your mind, the vendor was aware that I broke their encryption
(freaked 'em out 'cause they were unjustly proud of it, not because I'm a
bloody genius) plus their feet were to the fire, anyway, because of their
own contract. I'm no lawyer, but I doubt that writing a replacement for a
piece of software is theft.

Finally the company for which I was working at the time hasn't been in
business for nearly twenty [20] years.

Jerry C. Adams
IBM i Programmer/Analyst
"I feel so miserable without you; it's almost like having you here."
-Stephen Bishop
--
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-----Original Message-----
From: midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Thomas Garvey
Sent: Friday, May 27, 2011 1:12 PM
To: 'Midrange Systems Technical Discussion'
Subject: RE: V5R4 End of Marketing

Mr. Adams,

I can't believe you just publicly admitted to software theft, leaving your
employer's name, location, and phone number.

-----Original Message-----
From: midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jerry C. Adams
Sent: Friday, May 27, 2011 12:52 PM
To: 'Midrange Systems Technical Discussion'
Subject: RE: V5R4 End of Marketing

That is only one of the reasons that one should be reluctant to modify a
package. Been there, done that.

Probably not comparable, but I had a similar situation back on the S/36
(security modules). Took me less than an hour to break their encryption
(which was, admittedly, lame even for a /36), and the rest of the day to
write a replacement (which, I say modestly, was better than theirs).

Jerry C. Adams
IBM i Programmer/Analyst
"He has no enemies, but is intensely disliked by his friends." -Oscar Wilde
--
A&K Wholesale
Murfreesboro, TN
615-867-5070


-----Original Message-----
From: midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Paul Nelson
Sent: Friday, May 27, 2011 12:00 PM
To: 'Midrange Systems Technical Discussion'
Subject: RE: V5R4 End of Marketing

I talked to a fellow in the Chicago area yesterday. His company is using
BPCS, and like many other firms, is heavily modified, and because of the
outrageous pricing on maintenance, chose to drop the maintenance.

They are currently negotiating with Infor to get what the pieces of the
security component (non observable) they need to upgrade to V6R1. Infor
started with a price of 3.5 million, and has come down to 1.5, and then has
dug in its heels at $300K.

His alternative is to pay for maintenance on V5R4 at the rate of about $50K
per year while they find a solution to take them off the platform.

Paul Nelson
Office 512-392-2577
Cell 708-670-6978
nelsonp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx


-----Original Message-----
From: midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jeffrey Carey
Sent: Friday, May 27, 2011 11:43 AM
To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion
Subject: RE: V5R4 End of Marketing

I have no special knowledge, but I'd bet in the fall IBM announces end of
support of V5R4 for fall 2012.

I get the feeling IBM is weighing the decision based on the number of users
who could not move to V6R1, which seemed to usually be due to vendor
software issues.

I think the best thing they could do is to announce end of support and get
the last stragglers moving.

Jeff Carey, MSIT, MBA
Senior Technical Support Specialist

SXC Health Solutions, Inc.


-----Original Message-----
From: midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of rob@xxxxxxxxx
Sent: Friday, May 27, 2011 10:53 AM
To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion
Subject: Re: V5R4 End of Marketing

http://www-01.ibm.com/common/ssi/rep_ca/0/897/ENUS210-440/ENUS210-440.PD
F


Rob Berendt
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From: Charles Wilt <charles.wilt@xxxxxxxxx>
To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion <midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: 05/27/2011 11:27 AM
Subject: Re: V5R4 End of Marketing
Sent by: midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx



Pete do you have a link to the announcement?

Charles

On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 10:46 AM, Pete Massiello
<pmassiello-ml@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:



IBM i V5R4 has been withdrawn from marketing.


As of today 27th of May 2011, IBM i V5R4 has been withdrawn from
marketing
and will not be available for Upgrades on the website.

However software downloads are still available:

- Under Software Downloads: If the machines entitlements are at V5R4
as
the
highest version release, software products are available under
"withdrawn
products" - In step 2 : select product, check for product availability

and
select "withdrawn products"

- IBM i/OS V5R4 is still available under "IBM i evaluation, T&B and
NLV
download" function.

If you have any questions or concerns you may contact Customer
Support.
Contact information can be found on the web page via the link
'Contacts'."





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