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Re: OCL Documentation

Jeff,

Yes and no...

In my mind, in order to use some new thing you must stay up to date on
what's available. Too many people in the RPG world, though not
necessarily this list, don't bother with new techniques unless they
have an immediate need. Which means that at some future point even
though a new technique would benefit them, they don't recall it and
end up solving the problem in some roundabout way using old
techniques.

At the same time, in my mind in order to recognize that something new
would help, you need at least some experience with it. So if I hear
about something new, I try to make use of it even if it doesn't
provide a benefit over the old way for a given problem.

So to me, solving problems is the reason for being....but being able
to say "yea, I can do that" means I've always got the best tools
available.

Charles

On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 11:01 AM, Jeff Crosby <jlcrosby@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I think what keeps me in IT is the business, not IT in and of itself.  I
have never been the type that gets excited about every new thing in IT that
comes along.  If I see a use for it in OUR company, then I can get excited.

To create something in IT just for the sake of saying "yea, I can do that"
doesn't appeal.  But the most mundane thing (from an IT perspective) can
really get me going if it solves an issue for someone in the company or the
company in general.  To use RDi simply because it's 'modern' or
'cool-looking'?  No.  To use it because I can produce better code, and
faster?  Yes.  But even then, it's because I can solve things for others
more quickly.

Does that resonate with anyone?


On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 8:59 AM, Paul Nelson <nelsonp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

And pretty soon, that'll be gone, too.   :-))

I'm at the point where I'm thinking about getting out of IT altogether.

Paul Nelson
Office 512-392-2577
Cell 708-670-6978
nelsonp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx


-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jerry Adams
Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2010 7:44 AM
To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion
Subject: RE: OCL Documentation

Oh, I still have my debugging templates.  About the only thing they're good
for is as a quick reference for the Output edit codes (after 35 years I
still can't recall any from memory except 'J').

Jerry C. Adams
IBM System i Programmer/Analyst
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Age is a question of mind over matter.  If you don't mind, it doesn't
matter. -Satche Paige


-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Paul Nelson
Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 4:25 PM
To: 'Midrange Systems Technical Discussion'
Subject: RE: OCL Documentation

Heh. I just uncovered a folder containing RPG II debugging templates.

Paul Nelson
Office 512-392-2577
Cell 708-670-6978
nelsonp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx


-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jerry Adams
Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 3:54 PM
To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion
Subject: RE: OCL Documentation

Ironic, but I tossed all of my /36 manuals about a month before I applied
for my current job.  Ironic because we live in the 36 environment here.
 The
only thing I still have (must have overlooked it when I was cleaning up) is
the Procedures and Commands summary.  I could swear (and often do) that I
had a link to an OCL manual.  But the closest I can come right now is a
S/32
manual at www.bitsavers.org.  It doesn't even cover ?R? (that I could
find).
Maybe the /32 didn't have prompting.

The worst case of substitution and parameter passing I ever saw was an IBM
package on the /34.  Proc-A  might have // INCLUDE PROCB ?1?,?2?,?3? and
Proc-B might then have // INCLUDE PROCC ?2?,?1?,?4R? so that by the time
you
got to PROCC what was parameter 2 is parameter 1 to that procedure, etc.
Really ugly and a pain in the arse to debug.

Jerry C. Adams
IBM System i Programmer/Analyst
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Well, God is getting an earful today. -Jim Murray on the death of Casey
Stengel


-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of rob@xxxxxxxxx
Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 3:01 PM
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Subject: Re: OCL Documentation

It retrieves it from the screen IF it wasn't passed in.  For example, if
your procedure name is DUDE then you could type in
DUDE A,B,D,E
?1? = A, ?2?=B and so on.


Rob Berendt
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Kendallville, IN 46755
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From:   "Mark Murphy/STAR BASE Consulting Inc." <mmurphy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To:     midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Date:   05/18/2010 03:44 PM
Subject:        OCL Documentation
Sent by:        midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx



Does anyone know of any on-line OCL documentation?  I can deduce some of
it, but some things are totally foreign.

For example I have a line that goes like this:

// IF ?4R?/Y IF ?7R?/Y GOTO TMCD

I believe that first ?4R? is retrieving input from the screen, and if it
is a Y then it does the second IF.  No prompts or anything, it just waits
for more input from the screen? or uses the previous input?  What are the
4 and 7 for?  Are these just variable placeholders?  ?7? is not set
directly in the procedure, other than the R there.  If ?7? is a Y it
should go to the label, but what would cause that?  Just user input
without any prompt?

Mark Murphy
STAR BASE Consulting, Inc.
mmurphy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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