Re: Change management systems

Hi Alan

It is a pity that some consider SEU to be little more than the equivalent of EDLIN or vi. It has so much more capability than most of us ever use.

In F13 is another setting I often change - the matter of uppercase as default - and to make a certain source type non-uppercase default, one has to roll down to the 2nd page.

By the way, copy/paste in PC5250 works beautifully with SEU - there is a Paste Next item under the Edit menu - worth taking a look. Of course, pasting the entire source into WDSC+ (my new term for WDSC and RDi and RDP - for use only in this list <g>) is faster, but sometimes you don't have it running.

Vern

Alan Shore wrote:

Hi Bryce
here is a did you know moment
While editing a member within pdm, press F13 to change session defaults and
you CAN change the amount of scrolling to
a Half screen,
Full screen,
to the point of the cursor etc



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Change Session Defaults

Type choices, press Enter.

Amount to roll . . . . . . . . . . . C H=Half, F=Full
C=Cursor, D=Data
1-999


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Yes it does produce the exact same object as. This is because it is just
remotely issuing a compile command on the IBM i. Plus, when I get any
errors or warnings with RPGLE source I can click a warning or error and go
directly to that spot in the code. No searching through source manuall
for *ERR or something like that.

The main advantage of RDi over PDM/SEU is in the time to analyze a program
and produce code. If you can see 86 lines of code (in my setup) at a time
in RDi(WDSC) versus only 19 in SEU then I don't know how you can ignore
the productivity gains that gives you. Add that to the outline view and
syntax highlighting. Even if the code wasn't colored and the outline view
didn't exist I would choose WDSC over SEU just for the increase in view.
Like I have said before, I wish I had a widescreen that rotated so I could
see even more lines of code. Everytime you have to page up or page down
you lose time. And SEU doesn't even page up or page down a whole screen.
Its like doing a half page up or a half page down (probably the most
annoying thing about PDM for me).

Its about programmer productivity and a programmer caring enough to
evaluate it from that stand point. It has nothing to do with the end
user, I have no idea where that came from.


Thanks
Bryce Martin
Programmer/Analyst I
570-546-4777



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Thank you Scott!

Finally, someone cuts through all the opinions (on both sides) and gets to

the heart of the matter.

If programmer ABC writes the program in SEU/PDM and programmer XYZ writes
it
in WDSc/RDi, and the user sees and runs the exact same program, who cares
which programming environment it was written in? (Pardon the bad
grammar.)

Perhaps we need to remember that our primary purpose as developers is to
support the user. Period. Every user - from the data entry operator to
the
CEO.

Now that I'm done ranting, allow me to ask a question. Does compiling the

same source in PDM produce the exact same object as compiling it in
WDSc/RDi?





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Technically, PDM and SEU are not the same thing. But, PDM calls SEU

when

it needs to edit code.

They both come together as part of a package named ADTS. (Application
Development Tool Set) along with a few other things.

Personally, I think the advantages of WDSC/RDi/RDP over PDM/SEU are

being

constantly overstated in these forums. There are certainly some things
that RDi does better, like copy/paste, outline view, syntax

highlighting.

But these things aren't the ultra-awesome, revolutionary things that

folks

in these forums make them out to be. Yes, copy/paste is better in RDi,
but I could still do it in SEU, and I could do it pretty well. Yes,
outline view is useful, but searching out what I'm looking for also

works.

Yes, syntax highlighting/coloring can be nice, but I can read my code

okay

when it's all one color.

Personally, I think the user interface seen by the USER is far more
important than the interface seen by the DEVELOPER.

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