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Dave,

I assume all are water tight. After all, if it wasn't water tight how
could it possibly be air tight and if it wasn't air tight, during a
fire hot gasses could get in and the internal temp would quickly rise
above the limits.

I've seen some that were in fact spec'd to handle being under
something like 10 or 20 feet of water.

Charles

On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 8:59 PM, Dave Murvin <davem@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
I worked in a resort hotel several years ago that was three stories
high, plus basements, with poured concrete walls and floors.  The
computer room was in the basement.  The fire started in the attic with
some old papers they had stored there and since the roof was wood, it
burned pretty good, but the fire was restricted to the attic.  The
problem that was bigger than the fire was all the water the volunteer
fire department poured into the attic to put the fire out.  The water
went from the attic down through all three floors in two wings of the
hotel and ended up in the basement.  You could still hear the water
running down inside the walls the next day.  Fire department put a piece
of plastic over the computer (a S/370) to protect it from the water.
The water damage was so severe to the hotel that the procedures were
changed to call the general manager in case of fire to get the OK to
call the fire department.

We did not have a fire safe and were able to remove the removable disks
from the computer room, although they ended up in various places with
various people.  After the computer dried out for a couple of days, it
started right up.

About the water damage.   Everything in the two wings of the hotel was
damaged by the water.  All the rooms and hallways had to be fixed with
new materials.  I believe the furniture was ruined too.  The hotel
guests were not too happy either.   It was like a water fall coming down
the stairwells.  In the offices which were on the first floor,
everything that was sitting on anyones desk or on the floor was damaged
by the water.  Any of the cases of computer forms that were sitting on
the floor were ruined.  Another rule they put in place after this was
that nothing that was not waterproof could sit directly on the floor.
They bought new cabinets too, because they did not want you to leave
anything sitting on top of your desk.

I first heard about the fire at about 8 pm when the night computer
operator called me at home and said "The Lodge is on fire, what do I
do?".  I hope I never receive a call like that again.  :)  We did not
have any formal disaster plans at the time either, so you might want to
include them in your fire disaster plans.

I don't know how water proof fire safes are, but what happens to it if
it is submerged in water for several hours or days?

Dave


rob@xxxxxxxxx wrote:
Better question, has anyone ever had a fire and had their media in a fire
safe?  If so:
- was the fire intense?
- How did the media come out?
- Any water damage from the fire fighters?

Or,  Has anyone had their media in a fire save when a tornado wiped out
their building?  Was the safe hard to find?  Take long to dig through the
rubble to find it?

Anyone have their media in a fire safe and get flooded, like Katrina?
Media ok?

Anyone used to use a media safe and switch to offsite after a particularly
nasty event?


Rob Berendt

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