RE: COMMON conf room rates....

["Don" <dr2@xxxxxxxx>]

Trevor,

The argument is conceptually same.  Quit trying to use stupid stalling and
smoke screen tactics...that stuff got old in kindergarten...

The fact remains, and has for several years, the VENU COSTS TO THE ATTENDEE
are, as stated by Ron, OUTRAGEOUS.  This has been brought up at BOM NUMEROUS
times by NUMEROUS people...and it just gets ignored...so, Trevor, ignore us
and we'll probably ignore you...it's that simple...and I think Ron made a
great case for it.

Tevor, I'm not hearing solutions from you, I'm just hearing arguments for
keeping the status quo in a sinking ship.  Is that what happens when you get
on the board??

DR2

-----Original Message-----
From: midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Trevor Perry
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 12:31 PM
To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion
Subject: Re: COMMON conf room rates....

Ron,

I appreciate your perspective, but the current debate is about the cost, not
the rising costs. I was making a case that the perception that conference
has now "BECOME" expensive is a misnomer. The complaint/argument is ~always~
that it is expensive - a complaint made even when it was in Reno and
relatively cheaper.

Trevor

P.S. My thoughts are still unaffiliated with organization. Or even with an
organization..




On 11/16/09 11:51 AM, "Ron-Zimmerman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx"
<Ron-Zimmerman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> For once I have to disagree with Trevor.
>
> We may see this same argument before every conference, but that's because
> the conference locations are very expensive.
>
> The conference itself has always been and remains a good value, but the
> choice of locations makes it very expensive for those of us who don't live
> in those expensive cities.
>
> If you live in New York, Chicago, LA, then you don't think the room rates
> and other expenses are out of line.  But for those of us who live in the
> less expensive parts of the country, the $200+ per night room rate is
> ridiculous, not to mention the cost of meals in those locations!
>
> --
> Thank you,
> Ronald L. Zimmerman
> Email: Ron-Zimmerman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx wrote on 11/16/2009 10:17:37 AM:
>
> > Actually Paul, we are not talking about how expensive the conference has
> > "become". This is the same conversation for every single past conference
> > since midrange-L has been in existence.
> >
> > It is simply the same old tired argument that gets beat around for the
> sake
> > of showcasing the whining of a few old tired arguers.
> >
> >
> > P.S. These thoughts are my own personal thoughts and reflect no
> > organization.
> >
> >
> > On 11/16/09 10:59 AM, "Paul E. Fenstermacher" <paulf@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >
> > > As long as we're talking about how expensive the conference has become
> how
> > > about we discuss the feasibility of moving COMMON, the corporation,
> out of
> > > Chicago.  Why is it there?  Why can't the offices be moved to a less
> expensive
> > > area of the country?  How about Rochester, MN.?  Kansas City?  There
> must be
> > > hundreds of locations where this struggling organization could be
> relocated.
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