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I guess I'm thinking of the kind of thing, where if a file format is changed, the programs using it need to be recompiled. Guess I'd call these intrinsic dependencies, as opposed to extrinsic ones, based on the logic of your code. Now extrinsic dependencies are not the kind of thing that will necessarily make things break immediately, but they could cause unexpected results. Like a CALL to a program that has to be there and be the right one. But this is not the same as intrinsic object dependencies that things like TurnOver and Implementer and Aldon do.

Here are the high-level bullet points from the announcement - not sure if your needs are addressed, but maybe.

* An integrated set of collaborative software delivery tools for IBM
i development including source control, change management, build,
process management and governance
* Integration with IBM Rational Developer for i to enable team
capabilities for native IBM i applications
* Specialized support for source control, change management and
builds of traditional language artifacts such as RPG and COBOL
* Support for multi-tier software development and application
modernization efforts using RPG, Java™ and EGL
* Supports IBM i native Library file system and integrated file
system (IFS)
* IBM i artifact builds including RPG, COBOL, CL and Java
* Build agent which runs natively on the IBM i operating system (run
IBM i commands and call programs)
* Native hosting of the Jazz™ Team Server on IBM i

So we shall see - it is intriguing to me, at any rate.

Nathan Andelin wrote:
From: Vern Hamberg
One of my concerns is object dependencies - we shall see how
that goes. That is a layer of complexity that most other OS' don't
have to deal with.

Are you concerned about object dependencies for distribution purposes? If so, it sounds like you and I may be on the same page. My recollection is that other platforms have even bigger problems because the number and types of dependencies are higher, and you're often dealing with different hardware tiers performing different roles.

But I'm interested in a way to package software for distribution. Ideally, I'd have a repository of packages of various shapes and sizes, for different products. A product is a collection of applications. If I change one of the applications, I'd like to offer something like a temporary PTF for just that application, and not the entire product. What would be really cool would be a way for customers to browse my software repository and compare it to what's installed on their server; to download and install changes, easily.

Following is a screen-shot of an application, launched from a menu, and used to track personal data.

http://www.radile.com/rdweb/temp/xpn100.html

The data is structured in parent-child fashion. The left-most tab identifies a person [parent data]. Subsequent tabs work with phones, email accounts, addresses, notes, user defined attributes, and file attachments [child data]. The Profile tab on the right contains a summary of all the data to the left.

For software distribution purposes this is a single menu item, and part of the "Portal" package. But behind each tab is a separate *PGM and HTML source member, which are mostly independent of corresponding *PGM and HTML objects for each of the other tabs. On one hand, I'll need to generate a *SAVF for the entire Portal package, for new installs. Or I might need a *SAVF for the menu item. Or if the *PGM or HTML member for the Profile tab changes down the road [for example], I might need a separate *SAVF for that tab only.

So I'm interested in managing stuff like that.

Nathan.




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