If I ever convince both myself and the powers that be here that we..
must "webify" everything, I have no intention whatsoever of learning
the nitty gritty details of HTML, JSF, J2EE, etc. There will have to
be something that does for "webifying" that ProGen Plus did for
I have to chime in a bit here. Many many years ago I went with ProGendo
Plus from BCD for generating subfile programs. For a couple of years
after that, I was worried because I could no longer write a subfile
program from scratch. I got over that. I couldn't care less how to
one from scratch. ProGen Plus does everything I need in the way ofmust
subfiles in literally 1/10 the time. I care not one whit for all that
If I ever convince both myself and the powers that be here that we
"webify" everything, I have no intention whatsoever of learning theon
nitty gritty details of HTML, JSF, J2EE, etc. There will have to be
something that does for "webifying" that ProGen Plus did for subfile
programs. I am not a computer geek that works for a business, I am a
businessman who likes to use computers to solve business problems.
Last week and next week I am attending an online web class (free) put
by IBM about EGL I'm spending 6+ hours a day hands on findingknow
out/learning what I can about EGL. The depth and breadth of what EGL
does is astonishing and I've only scratched the surface. I don't even
know enough yet to be dangerous. The powerpoint for the first class
alone is over 1,000 pages.
Both Joe Pluta's ("international authority on System i technology and
EGL") and Pete Helgren's names are mentioned on the foils. I don't
if EGL will be for us, but it is indeed impressive.
Opinions expressed are my own and not necessarily those of my company.
Unless I say so.can
Joe Pluta wrote:
david gibbs wrote:
You're 80% of the way there.
You are correct ... I don't trust generated code any further than I
codespit it. I far prefer to use code that I wrote or at least can
reasonably maintain myself (which is why I'm not adverse to using a
personalWizard to create a starting point).I understand this point. But I hope you agree this is purely a
andstand - David Gibbs prefers rolling his own, although he will accept
help from the friendly Wizard <grin>. I understand that position,
thateven agree wherever practical. However, I hope you'll also agree
backlog,lots of shops don't have the time to address their application
formuch less rewrite existing plumbing code, and that there are valid
business situations to use proprietary and/or generated code. We all
rely on code we cannot maintain to one degree or another, especially
those of us who use Windows (much less those who program for it).
So, the idea that the code is generated shouldn't be a showstopper
toeveryone, even if it is for you. For people who don't have the time
be areinvent or even reimplement the wheel, generated code can actually
...positive thing because it allows them to concentrate on the business
logic rather than the plumbing.
The rest of my dislike is half the quality of the code they generate
code.and half being tied to a single companies product to generate the
Heaven help the company who used a code generator to develop a major
andapplication ... have the generator's author go out of business ...
upgrade.then have something go wrong with the generator due to an OS
asYes, in the case of EGL, I know the likelihood of this happening isSo you agree that your other issue is one that really doesn't apply
vanishingly slim ... but not with other products.
withinmuch to EGL.
Let me pose a question: do you think there's a larger contingency
asIBM backing EGL or RPG? I know it's not quite an apples-to-apples
comparison, since RPG is likely to be around as long as the platform,
but I'm just pointing out that EGL has as large a commitment from IBM
isanything. Rational has its own conference, and it's a big one. EGL
technology)prominent there, and getting moreso.
I guess I'm saying that while the idea of EGL (or indeed any
tobeing orphaned is not a completely unjustifiable concern, it's harder
justify when your primary development choice is RPG and the i.
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