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Along those lines...I taught classes (Ops, RPG, Admin) at two
different companies that were migrating from mainframe to AS/400s.
They both had classic SQL based systems. During the course of the
classes (weeks in both cases), and for a while afterwards, they would
ask me how to do something in AS/400 SQL And invariably they could do
it the same way as on the mainframe. There may have been a
different/easier/alternative method using AS/400 native I/O, and
sometimes they used it, but they weren't forced to. I believe they
made the decision about the technique to be used based on the best
tool for the job and the business needs, rather than the opinions of
other computer folks.

On Sat, Mar 8, 2008 at 12:26 PM, Vernon Hamberg <vhamberg@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Joe

Agreed. Dave has said things that seem to focus less on true
technology then on the use of that technology. Anyone who has been a
DBA in any other RDBMS could work in the iSeries RDBMS with very
little change in technique, I believe. Yes, they all would have to
forget about some of the convenient but non-standard extensions, like
CONVERT in SQL Server that I'd love to have on the iSeries - that's
another thread I might start!!

Now I also know that Dave is all for promoting the iSeries - look at
this thread or another one where he speaks of the presentation he
gave to promote it where he is working. It seems to me that we face a
marketing issue yet once again. It is probably true that other
database administrators and developers have a jaundiced view of the
iSeries and think it is not capable of what they do. That is patent
nonsense, but how do they know that? Yes, some will have the attitude
that, if there is any access other than SQL, they are not in control
of things. I agree that having the additional inroad is not a loss,
rather is a gain. But some of those in the DBA world just WILL not
see it that way.

So therein lies the problem, methinks. And now back to convert TOD to
seconds and microseconds.

And then some sleep.

Vern



At 11:16 AM 3/8/2008, you wrote:

>Dave Odom wrote:
> > - SQL is the ONLY access language to get to the data, not some
> old record-at-a-time processing back door technique like READ,
> WRITE, CHAIN, etc.,
> >
>
>To say that something is inferior because it has MORE features makes no
>sense. Calling ISAM a back door is elitism. Forcing someone to use SQL
>only is technological fascism.
>
>SQL is a good thing. So is native access.
>
>Just my opinion.
>
>Joe
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