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RE: was System i Revenue Up

My client in New York went to a GUI based system about 18 months ago. They
have had to add 2 people to their payroll department in order to get the
timecards entered into their system. And no, they can't use electronic
devices to do the data entry.

Another client, who is using the same package, is waiting for the software
company to retrofit its package to provide green screen capability for high
speed data entry. The software company took it away, and now their customers
are making them put it back.

There's an example of the customer being right.

Paul Nelson
Office 512-392-2577
Cell 708-670-6978
nelsonp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx


-----Original Message-----
From: midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Pete Massiello
Sent: Friday, January 25, 2008 10:54 AM
To: 'Midrange Systems Technical Discussion'
Subject: RE: was System i Revenue Up

The client is not always right, you just can't tell them they are wrong.
There is a big difference. I never believe the clients are always right,
and I tell my clients when they are not right.

JMHO

Pete
-----Original Message-----
From: midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of john e
Sent: Friday, January 25, 2008 11:38 AM
To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion
Subject: RE: System i Revenue Up


This is really no argument, please.....

And I have money that says that I can build the second and third union
payroll application for the second and third client in one quarter of the
time it takes to build the first one. And oh yes... it has a GUI. And you
know what: the client likes to have a GUI. And the client is ALWAYS right,
right?!

Please.... if we really keep saying "RPG is so much better and blahblah"...
well, i'm outta here

Note: I have more than 20 years experience programming in RPG II, III, and
IV.




From: nelsonp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
To: midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: System i Revenue Up
Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 10:32:17 -0600

I've got money that says I can build a union payroll application in RPG a
whole lot faster than you can in Java/C##.

Paul Nelson
Office 512-392-2577
Cell 708-670-6978
nelsonp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx


-----Original Message-----
From: midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of john e
Sent: Friday, January 25, 2008 10:26 AM
To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion
Subject: RE: System i Revenue Up


Steve said:

you have to protest when IBM is cutting the system's throat thru
underinvestment. For the programmer, i5/OS is a clunky OS. It can easily
be
improved, IBM has the money to make the OS better, and revenue would
likely
increase. I dont think IBM execs are aware of the shortcomings of the
system. as well as, apparantly, the experts on this list.

I agree 100%!!



Then Nelson said:

The machine is not designed to make programmers happy. It's designed to
make
business owners happy. Programming elegance is pretty low on the list of
priorities for a guy who sells tractor parts. He just wants the thing to
work, all day, every day.


As Bill Gates knew for a long time: ITS THE APPLICATIONS STUPID. The lack
of
decent development tools (and i am not talking about "elegance" here) is
the
real problem with the system i. But if you already have a great platform
(but dodgy development tools) then it is not too complicated to fix this.
IBM has to make the right choices where to invest their dollars. But they
don't because "we" are all saying that RPG is great, the development tools
are great, all is great. But it's not. The platform is great, the
development tools are clumsy and out-of-date. Compare WDSCi with
VisualStudio and compare RPG with Java/C#.

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From: nelsonp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
To: midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: System i Revenue Up
Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 09:31:37 -0600

The machine is not designed to make programmers happy. It's designed to
make
business owners happy. Programming elegance is pretty low on the list of
priorities for a guy who sells tractor parts. He just wants the thing to
work, all day, every day.

Paul Nelson
Office 512-392-2577
Cell 708-670-6978
nelsonp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx


-----Original Message-----
From: midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Steve Richter
Sent: Friday, January 25, 2008 9:24 AM
To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion
Subject: Re: System i Revenue Up

On Jan 25, 2008 10:08 AM, wrote:


Steve,
Is it you job to come around here and disseminate FUD? If that's
how
you feel about the i5, why waste your time on this listserv (especially
the
effort of posting to it). I have to assume that if you make the
effort,
there must be some motive behind it...


you have to protest when IBM is cutting the system's throat thru
underinvestment. For the programmer, i5/OS is a clunky OS. It can easily
be
improved, IBM has the money to make the OS better, and revenue would
likely
increase. I dont think IBM execs are aware of the shortcomings of the
system. as well as, apparantly, the experts on this list.

-Steve
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