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Joe Pluta wrote:

I understand you don't like the idea of writing applications in EGL. I
don't either. I suggest EGL as the front end and RPG as the back end. Do
you have a problem with that design philosophy?

I don't have a problem with EGL in any way, shape or form. There are undoubtedly many shops faced with little or no existing web experience and a powerful need to get on the web. They are stuck and EGL may be the best way for them to proceed.

But without that web expertise, the results will be fragile.

System i network didn't start out by saying to themselves 'Let's make a fragile web site today!' They did the best they could with what they knew or could afford to buy. That philosophy isn't stupid or evil, it's practical. Midrange shops are very practical and very many are expense constrained, and I predict that fragility will be the result. Again, not stupid or evil, it's just how these things seem to go.

Here's the second paragraph from your original post: 'we're going to go through a period of pain as larger and larger communities of people begin to count on software that's being cobbled together by developers who just don't have the skills to support it.'

You were talking about infrastructure, but I think the exact same philosophy holds true for application software as well. I'm not bashing EGL (infrastructure.) I'm saying that EGL will be one of those tools that will be used to cobble application software together that the shop hasn't got the skills to support.

It's nothing particularly deep I'm saying here. If these shops had web experience, they'd already have their web apps deployed and they probably won't be interested in switching to EGL. And if they were interested, they probably don't need a tutorial on how to attach a JSP to a data source. EGL in the System i market space seems aimed at web newbies, and by definition they haven't got the skills (yet) to support a web application.

We have no argument, no disagreement. All I ever said was that this community ought to spend more time on the basics and less time on 'new, now easier than ever before!'
--buck

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