RE: Ridiculous software transfer fees (wasEDIand Inovis fromLibraryData)

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[mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Ingvaldson, Scott
Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 10:13 AM
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Subject: RE: Ridiculous software transfer fees (wasEDIand Inovis
fromLibraryData)


Yea, that's a good idea. Constrain the CPW to keep VAR's with old
school pricing models happy and give up on any thought of running modern
workloads (Java, WebsFear, Domino, PHP) at all. That's a good way for
System i to compete with your intel-based server farms...

You think that we have it bad? We upgraded our mainframe to a new box
with FEWER MIPS and one vendor wanted a $500,000 upcharge! (They
settled for A LOT less.) In a nutshell that's why we'll probably be out
of both mainframe and System i in a few years... (Guilty, by
association.)

Regards,

Scott Ingvaldson
System i Administrator



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Subject: RE: Ridiculous software transfer fees (was EDIand Inovis
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You think IBM could peddle a new i5 box with a seriously constrained CPW
just to run these cutthroats? And, no Richter, I don't want to hear the
comment "aren't they already peddling constrained systems?".

Rob Berendt
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Group Dekko Services, LLC
Dept 01.073
PO Box 2000
Dock 108
6928N 400E
Kendallville, IN 46755
http://www.dekko.com





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That's easy to say, but the software vendors are not getting the
message.
We have a software package running on an ancient 170 in one of our
divisions and we want to move it to one of our corporate 520s. The
vendor

has quoted us a fee of $10,000 to move it. (As far as I know, it's just
a

save/restore with maybe entering a new software key.)

We've also had the same issue with Inovis for past upgrades and have
paid
them since we have no other choice. They have given us substantial
discounts off of their "list" price for these transfers.

This is an area that IBM should be working on with the software vendors
to

help with the marketing of the System i. The basic charges from IBM for

the systems has become reasonable enough that it is not a hard sell any
more, but the sticking point is these high and unreasonable additional
fees that the software vendors are expecting us to pay.

Thank you,
Ronald L. Zimmerman
I.T. Applications Manager
Swiss Valley Farms, Co. http://www.swissvalley.com
"Farmer Owned with Pride"
Email: Ron-Zimmerman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx wrote on 07/12/2007 09:09:19 AM:

I can understand a license transfer charge for paperwork and "stuff"

of

anywhere from $250 to $500, but when you are not using the product any

more

then you were on the original box, you should not have to pay any more
because there is more CPW.

Pete



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[mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Lunde, Peter
Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 9:58 AM
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Subject: RE: Ridiculous software transfer fees (was EDI and Inovis
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Scott,

If you haven't purchased the 520 yet, you might want to look at the

515.

It has 3600 CPW for roughly the same price.

Peter.

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[mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Scott Klement
Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 6:46 PM
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Subject: Re: EDI and Inovis from Library Data

I'm finding myself REALLY interested in this thread. My company has
been using Inovis' software for years, but now we're in the process of
upgrading our system from a 270 to a 520.

The TrustedLink EDI software was around $10k when we originally
purchased it from Premenos, and we've faithfully paid for maintenance

on

the product. However, just to transfer the license from the 270 to

the

520 they want $15k!!

This is an absolutely absurd price in my mind. This 520 is only 600

CPW,

it's the smallest machine IBM makes. (As was the 270 in it's day).
They are the same software tier, but of course, Inovis doesn't care

what

the software tier is, they only care about the CPW. To me, the notion
that it costs more to transfer a license for software that processes
10-15 orders a day than it does to buy a new machine, or to buy the
original software in the first place... it just boggles the mind.

Anyway, my point is -- if I can simply write the EDI data to a stream
file and FTP it, that would be AWESOME! Not only would it save me
money, but I could make the whole process much more efficient.

Can anyone give me more info about what's involved in this? You just
write the EDI formatted data to the IFS (I already know how to do

that)

and FTP it and your done? (Could it be that simple?) I assume the

VAN

requires some sort of contract?

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