RE: Windows Integration and Longhorn -- MIDRANGE-L

Yeah, not so much interested in going that route, though. The IXS model
has been rock solid and required very little of a learning curve. If it
gets yanked away from us at some point (which unfortunately happens with
some of IBMs technologies in the long run) we may dig into some other
models, but if they're not iSeries based, it's more likely that they'll go
back to standalone Windows boxes (which is a sad end result).

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There's Microsoft Virtual Server 2005, and Vmware's VMware Server which
enable you to run even multiple instances of any OS you want on a single
Windows or Linux server.

You usually use virtual hard disks, which give you the same
functionality as described.

Also, a current Xeon DC machine has much more uumph than a several years
old Pentium-M, allowing you to run multiple instances at higher speed.

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The biggest value for us has been:

Being able to run several workloads that require a separate machine for
SQL Server type apps but only get run once a month (security scanning,
backup surf control, etc.). We can easily leave these types of niche
servers down all month and then bring them all up as needed on a single
hardware IXS card.

Using a server to test between multiple SW packages or versions is a
breeze when you can save/restore/detach/attach different storage spaces
or server configs. This made the evaluation of several software
packages much less work, but still let us switch between them as needed
(it never would have got evaluated as fully without being able to use
that IXS functionality).

The are great for niche type servers that don't need quite as much
horsepower, but it would definitely be tough to get ALL the Windows
boxes most shops need under the IXS based covers (so to speak). The
dependencies that can occur when switching between 2 HA servers once a
month that also house our IXS cards also would make it tough to bring in
other servers to that model.

We are still big fans of them and will stick with at least a few of them
at least through our next gen of iSeries (not interested in the blade
model until we have to go that way).

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The problem with the Storage Space thingy you're proposing is that this
will have consequences if you're running a DC on that machine.

Read this: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/875495

I don't see how IXS help to save cost on the software side - you will
still need competent windows administrators, and they will still have to
do the same job.

The HW maintenance thing sounds logical at first, but when you have to
size up your System I to be a full blown SAN for all your windows needs,
you will need so many expansion towers that you might be in similar
waters - though the System I might still be cheaper.

When we're talking IXA or iSCSI attachment, you will only have a SAN
left. You will still have to pay for HW maintenance.

Also, I find it embarrassing for IBM that a 5000CHF PC-on-a-Card doesn't
have remote KVM.

I really fail to see the advantages of IXS/IXA as long as they are more
than twice as expensive as a fully loaded System x.

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Vary off Network Server (NWS). Copy Storage Space to backup. Vary on
NWS. After all, you should back up before installing a service pack or
other major app/OS update. Moving on ..

Load Service Pack. SP Fails? Vary off, revert to copy, vary on, do
diagnostics later if on-site required. Optionally, and this is neat,
add the storage space to your NWS as drive D: or whatever and look at
the files from the working NSW. Or boot it to your backup IXS (which
could be in another machine/data center).

The reason we use them? Cost. Server administration is outsourced and
we pay for each physical server. IXS costs $0 to admin over and above
the iSeries admin costs. Also, $0 hardware maintenance costs. Also,
better quality maintenance that PC server providers (I could mention the
YEARS we waited for Dell to replace a failed disk in a RAID set). Also,
with over 200 Windows servers in a single data center, the
zero-footprint IXS helps manage space in the data center. Also, it uses
little power (22 watt PentiumM + some for the rest of the card) over and
above what is used anyway for the iSeries. That corresponds to very
little waste heat as well.

Finally, if you really need it you can get a KVM switch that allows for
remote access, for instance: http://www.minicom.com/kvm_smart16ip.htm

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And IXS don't have that?

Seems that this isn't really such a great solution...

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With most iSCSI and IXA attached 'x' the RSA II Is installed so you have

the option to use that if you need it.

- Larry

Lukas Beeler wrote:

Hi John,

I meant the tools used when the OS doesn't boot, for some reason (i.e.

failed service pack install, failed upgrade, or similar mishap).

How do I access the system console in such a case? Do I have to go
local? Or do I have some sort of remote access, like the RSA II used

for

"normal" IBM servers?

How do I boot and use the system in Directory Services Recovery mode?
(On an Active Directory Domain ControlleR).

All these thing need access to the system, before the TCP/IP stack is
loaded.

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