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RE: MS & Vista


Nah,

I if I want that, I'll go visit the inlaws... :)

Don in DC

At 06:26 PM 2/18/2007 -0500, you wrote:

Don, it's a opportunity to get your blood boiling, your blood pressure high
enough to break the gage, to get your name written in red ink at the MS
Customer Service Centers. Only spent 3 hours today on the phone to resolve a
Network problem and the sage will continue tomorrow because the problem was
not resolves. I put checking out Vista on a par with checking out WDSC.

Jack Derham
Direct Systems, Inc

-----Original Message-----
From: midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Don
Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2007 2:21 PM
To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion
Subject: RE: MS & Vista



Well, frankly, I'm glad you folks are brave enough to be bleeding
edge...   We're totally avoiding vista until most likely SP 2 comes out for
it.  I figure by then most of the major bugs will be fixed and all the
interface needs will finally have been addressed.  Until then, I don't
reallly see a need to debug Microsoft's software for them, etc...  Until
then, XP Pro crashes well enough just fine....:)

:)

Don in DC



At 01:47 PM 2/17/2007 -0500, you wrote:
>I have just started down my own "Trail of Tears" with Vista and attempts to
>interface it with WDSC and iSeries Client. Your notes would be of much
>interest to me.
>
>Jack Derham
>Direct Systems, Inc
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx
>[mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Anne Lucas
>Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2007 11:55 AM
>To: midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx
>Subject: MS & Vista
>
>I have had some interesting and painful discussions with IBM over the
>past week regarding Vista and iSeries Access.  Specifically regarding
>V5R1, V5R2.  IBM has given me a couple of websites I'd be glad to share
>with anyone along with the notes on this one customer situation....if it
>will help.  Just let me know!
>
>
>.....Anne
>
>************************
>Have a blessed day!
>   Anne Lucas
>   Customer Account Executive, Genisys Group, Inc.
>   205-823-4831 Office,   205-746-6850 Mobile
>   615-250-4889 efax
>   email:  alucas@xxxxxxxxxxx
>   AOL Instant Message:  So Anne Lucas
>
>   www.teamggi.com
>
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>    1. DBAs and iSeries (was: Creating dds source from SQL Tables)
>       (PaulMmn)
>    2. Re: Experiences with VISTA (Mark Allen)
>    3. RE: Experiences with VISTA (Lukas Beeler)
>    4. Re: DBAs and iSeries (was: Creating dds source from SQL
>       Tables) (Michael Ryan)
>    5. Re: Linux in a sub-system? (Al Barsa)
>    6. Re: V5R3-V5R4 Updated Problem (Al Barsa)
>
>
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>message: 1
>date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 23:36:56 -0500
>from: PaulMmn <PaulMmn@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>subject: DBAs and iSeries (was: Creating dds source from SQL Tables)
>
><vent>
>
>I should hope we're non-standard!  I've been going around and around
>with a software vendor that keeps insisting that I need to tell our DBA
>to run the "Database Optimization Tool" they provide--  it uses the
>RUNSTATS process to rebuild file indices, gather statistics, and
>otherwise clean up the database.
>
>I keep telling them that the iSeries doesn't -have- a RUNSTATS command,
>it doesn't -need- a RUNSTATS command, and that I -am- the DBA.
>
>Well, I'm the closest thing to a DBA we have on the iSeries machines.
>
>Now as far as I can determine, RUNSTATS does exist for DB2 on -other-
>platforms...  but all we do on the iSeries is a RGZPFM from time to
>time.  But try and convince non-iSeries people that we have a better
>way...
>
>*sigh*
>
></vent>
>
>--Paul E Musselman
>PaulMmn@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
>
>
>
> >Loyd wrote (in part):
> >
> >Unlike Oracle and SQL server, I do not need to gather statistics,
> >rebuild existing indexes, manage table spaces, or have headaches when
> >updating server hardware. Does this make DB2 on our beloved box a
> >non-standard database?
>
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>message: 2
>date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 02:52:05 -0500
>from: "Mark Allen" <scprideandms@xxxxxxxxx>
>subject: Re: Experiences with VISTA
>
>Windows XP and Office 2003 are the last MS products that will be put on
>any computer of mine, I tracked my time yesterday at work (slow day) and
>I lost approx 1 hr total of "productive" time due to:
>
>1.  The lovely I am MS Word I will reformat you document as you type
>cause I know all including what you want to do.
>
>2.  Window focus changes as your typing
>
>3.  3 reboots/lockups
>
>4.  Install updates (AGAIN!!!!!)
>
>Sorry MS is total BS, why does anyone even consider it a multi tasking
>OS, its still a single user OS with a windows front end, so it "looks"
>like its doing more than 1 thing
>
>On 2/16/07, Paul Nelson <nelsonp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >
> > I rest my case.  :-))
> >
> > Paul Nelson
> > Cell 708-670-6978
> > Office 708-425-4198
> > nelsonp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> > [mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jim Franz
> > Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 8:18 PM
> > To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion
> > Subject: Re: Experiences with VISTA
> >
> > The December svc pack for latest iSeries Access has the Vista support.
> > IBM has an apar on it in the iSeries Access home page.
> > http://www-03.ibm.com/servers/eserver/iseries/access/
> > btw - i went to the MS Roadshow - 4 hours - we averaged 1 crash/reboot
>
> > per hour for what they were trying to demo. But did get a cd good for
> > free download of Office 2007.
> > jim franz
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Paul Nelson" <nelsonp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: "'Midrange Systems Technical Discussion'"
> > <midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 7:45 PM
> > Subject: RE: Experiences with VISTA
> >
> >
> > > Have you got a 5.4 box? You can reach inside and upgrade your PC
> > > from
> > > there:
> > >
> > > /QIBM/ProdData/CA400/Express/Install/Image/setup.exe
> > >
> > > You will have a version with the service packs applied up to where
> > > your System i machine is at in terms of PTF's. Good luck. I'm going
> > > to wait a year for a Vista machine
> > >
> > > Paul Nelson
> > > Cell 708-670-6978
> > > Office 708-425-4198
> > > nelsonp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > [mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of derhamj
> > > Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 6:35 PM
> > > To: MidRange-L
> > > Subject: Experiences with VISTA
> > >
> > > Got a new laptop yesterday with Vista and Office 2007. Has loaded
> > > all my business applications and WDSC just fine but it did not like
> > > iSeries Access V5R2. Is there a new download available or does
> > > anyone know of any other solutions to this problem.  Just feel I
> > > absolutely need iSeries Access.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Jack Derham
> > >
> > > Direct Systems, Inc
> > >
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>------------------------------
>
>message: 3
>date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 11:54:21 +0100
>from: "Lukas Beeler" <l.beeler@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>subject: RE: Experiences with VISTA
>
>If your windows machines crashes three times during a day, then the
>problem is most likely NOT windows.
>
>a) Faulty Hardware (most likely your RAM, memtest86)
>b) Virus/Spyware (check your security strategy)
>
>Security Fixes once per month isn't that bad. And Microsoft Word is a
>tool you will need to learn how to use it. You can't use it the same way
>as an 8 year old Lotus Office Suite, or like OfficeVision/400. You will
>need to learn on how to use such a tool to your advantage.
>
>Save for some special circumstances, there's no real alternative to
>Windows as a Desktop, and even Server OS for managing your Desktops. I
>suggest you to learn to work with this platform, and learn to workaround
>all those quirks.
>
>Every platform has it's fair share of problems. i5/OS can't change the
>link speed of an ethernet card while the interface is up, it can't do
>full saves while the system is operating, and so on.
>
>Just learn to deal with it.
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx
>[mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Mark Allen
>Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2007 8:52 AM
>To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion
>Subject: Re: Experiences with VISTA
>
>Windows XP and Office 2003 are the last MS products that will be put on
>any computer of mine, I tracked my time yesterday at work (slow day) and
>I lost approx 1 hr total of "productive" time due to:
>
>1.  The lovely I am MS Word I will reformat you document as you type
>cause I know all including what you want to do.
>
>2.  Window focus changes as your typing
>
>3.  3 reboots/lockups
>
>4.  Install updates (AGAIN!!!!!)
>
>Sorry MS is total BS, why does anyone even consider it a multi tasking
>OS, its still a single user OS with a windows front end, so it "looks"
>like its doing more than 1 thing
>
>On 2/16/07, Paul Nelson <nelsonp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >
> > I rest my case.  :-))
> >
> > Paul Nelson
> > Cell 708-670-6978
> > Office 708-425-4198
> > nelsonp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> > [mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jim Franz
> > Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 8:18 PM
> > To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion
> > Subject: Re: Experiences with VISTA
> >
> > The December svc pack for latest iSeries Access has the Vista support.
> > IBM has an apar on it in the iSeries Access home page.
> > http://www-03.ibm.com/servers/eserver/iseries/access/
> > btw - i went to the MS Roadshow - 4 hours - we averaged 1 crash/reboot
>per
> > hour for what they were trying to demo. But did get a cd good for free
>
> > download of Office 2007.
> > jim franz
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Paul Nelson" <nelsonp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: "'Midrange Systems Technical Discussion'"
><midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 7:45 PM
> > Subject: RE: Experiences with VISTA
> >
> >
> > > Have you got a 5.4 box? You can reach inside and upgrade your PC
>from
> > > there:
> > >
> > > /QIBM/ProdData/CA400/Express/Install/Image/setup.exe
> > >
> > > You will have a version with the service packs applied up to where
>your
> > > System i machine is at in terms of PTF's. Good luck. I'm going to
>wait a
> > > year for a Vista machine
> > >
> > > Paul Nelson
> > > Cell 708-670-6978
> > > Office 708-425-4198
> > > nelsonp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > [mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of derhamj
> > > Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 6:35 PM
> > > To: MidRange-L
> > > Subject: Experiences with VISTA
> > >
> > > Got a new laptop yesterday with Vista and Office 2007. Has loaded
>all my
> > > business applications and WDSC just fine but it did not like iSeries
>
> > > Access V5R2. Is there a new download available or does anyone know
> > > of any
>other
> > > solutions to this problem.  Just feel I absolutely need iSeries
>Access.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Jack Derham
> > >
> > > Direct Systems, Inc
> > >
> > > --
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>mailing
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>------------------------------
>
>message: 4
>date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 08:37:05 -0500
>from: "Michael Ryan" <michaelrtr@xxxxxxxxx>
>subject: Re: DBAs and iSeries (was: Creating dds source from SQL
>         Tables)
>
>runstats and reorg sure do exist on our Windows UDB implementation
>that's part of our Websphere Commerce System than runs on Windows.
>Two-tiered, with Apache, WAS and WCS on one system, and UDB on a
>different system. And when everything is right - it flies. But if you
>don't run runstats and reorg on a regular basis, database access will
>become so slow that it's not functional. Taking minutes for a simple
>select.
>
>On 2/16/07, PaulMmn <PaulMmn@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > <vent>
> >
> > I should hope we're non-standard!  I've been going around and around
> > with a software vendor that keeps insisting that I need to tell our
> > DBA to run the "Database Optimization Tool" they provide--  it uses
> > the RUNSTATS process to rebuild file indices, gather statistics, and
> > otherwise clean up the database.
> >
> > I keep telling them that the iSeries doesn't -have- a RUNSTATS
> > command, it doesn't -need- a RUNSTATS command, and that I -am- the
> > DBA.
> >
> > Well, I'm the closest thing to a DBA we have on the iSeries machines.
> >
> > Now as far as I can determine, RUNSTATS does exist for DB2 on -other-
> > platforms...  but all we do on the iSeries is a RGZPFM from time to
> > time.  But try and convince non-iSeries people that we have a better
> > way...
> >
> > *sigh*
> >
> > </vent>
> >
> > --Paul E Musselman
> > PaulMmn@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >Loyd wrote (in part):
> > >
> > >Unlike Oracle and SQL server, I do not need to gather statistics,
> > >rebuild existing indexes, manage table spaces, or have headaches when
> > >updating server hardware. Does this make DB2 on our beloved box a
> > >non-standard database?
> >
> >
> > --
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>list
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>
>------------------------------
>
>message: 5
>date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 09:44:32 -0500
>from: Al Barsa <barsa@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>subject: Re: Linux in a sub-system?
>
>
>Yes, it's possible.  I think it's always been around.
>
>Al
>
>Al Barsa, Jr.
>Barsa Consulting Group, LLC
>
>400>390
>
>"i" comes before "p", "x" and "z"
>e gads
>
>Our system's had more names than Elizabeth Taylor!
>
>914-251-1234
>914-251-9406 fax
>
>http://www.barsaconsulting.com
>http://www.taatool.com
>http://www.as400connection.com
>
>
>
>
>
>              "Michael
>
>              Rosinger"
>
>              <mrosinger@cciws.
>To
>              com>                      midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx
>
>              Sent by:
>cc
>              midrange-l-bounce
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>              s@xxxxxxxxxxxx
>Subject
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>
>
>              02/16/2007 06:22
>
>              AM
>
>
>
>
>
>              Please respond to
>
>              Midrange Systems
>
>                  Technical
>
>                 Discussion
>
>              <midrange-l@midra
>
>                  nge.com>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>List,
>
>I was told yesterday by an IBM business partner that it is possible to
>run
>Linux in a sub-system in a stand-alone system, not requiring a separate
>LPAR. Is this accurate? If so, when was this available?
>
>--
>Regards,
>
>Michael Rosinger
>Systems Programmer / DBA
>Computer Credit, Inc.
>640 West Fourth Street
>Winston-Salem, NC  27101
>336-761-1524
>m rosinger at cciws dot com
>
>
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>
>message: 6
>date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 09:47:15 -0500
>from: Al Barsa <barsa@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>subject: Re: V5R3-V5R4 Updated Problem
>
>
>Only the power scheduler is involved.  These are totally different
>schedulers, despite the confusion.  The power scheduler starts you from
>a
>powered down state, whereas the job scheduler requires the system to be
>running.
>
>Al
>
>Al Barsa, Jr.
>Barsa Consulting Group, LLC
>
>400>390
>
>"i" comes before "p", "x" and "z"
>e gads
>
>Our system's had more names than Elizabeth Taylor!
>
>914-251-1234
>914-251-9406 fax
>
>http://www.barsaconsulting.com
>http://www.taatool.com
>http://www.as400connection.com
>
>
>
>
>
>              fbocch2595@xxxxxx
>
>              m
>
>              Sent by:
>To
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>cc
>
>
>
>Subject
>              02/16/2007 09:19          Re: V5R3-V5R4 Updated Problem
>
>              AM
>
>
>
>
>
>              Please respond to
>
>              Midrange Systems
>
>                  Technical
>
>                 Discussion
>
>              <midrange-l@midra
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>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>So, anyone upgrading from V5R3 should save QDFTJOBSCD b4 the upgrade
>and,
>if necessary, restore it to the system at V5R4?
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: spanner@xxxxxxxxxx
>To: midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx
>Sent: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 2:24 PM
>Subject: Re: V5R3-V5R4 Updated Problem
>
>
>Hi John
>
>I've restored V5R2 job schedule entries to a V5R4 machine with no
>problem so my advice would be that you should be OK.
>
>You can always save the V5R4 *JOBSCD object beforehand anyway.
>
>Regards
>Evan Harris
>
>At 05:20 a.m. 15/02/2007, you wrote:
>
> >Hello,
> >
> >We did an R3-R4 upgrade over the weekend, and I just now realized that
>all
> >of our Job Schedule Entries are gone! Fortunately, we have a backup,
>but
>it
> >is at V5R3. Does anyone know if it's safe to restore R3 job schedule
>entries
> >onto R4?
> >
> >
> >Regards,
> >
> >John Taylor
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