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RE: MS & Vista

Don, it's a opportunity to get your blood boiling, your blood pressure high
enough to break the gage, to get your name written in red ink at the MS
Customer Service Centers. Only spent 3 hours today on the phone to resolve a
Network problem and the sage will continue tomorrow because the problem was
not resolves. I put checking out Vista on a par with checking out WDSC.

Jack Derham
Direct Systems, Inc

-----Original Message-----
From: midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Don
Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2007 2:21 PM
To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion
Subject: RE: MS & Vista



Well, frankly, I'm glad you folks are brave enough to be bleeding 
edge...   We're totally avoiding vista until most likely SP 2 comes out for 
it.  I figure by then most of the major bugs will be fixed and all the 
interface needs will finally have been addressed.  Until then, I don't 
reallly see a need to debug Microsoft's software for them, etc...  Until 
then, XP Pro crashes well enough just fine....:)

:)

Don in DC



At 01:47 PM 2/17/2007 -0500, you wrote:

I have just started down my own "Trail of Tears" with Vista and attempts to
interface it with WDSC and iSeries Client. Your notes would be of much
interest to me.

Jack Derham
Direct Systems, Inc

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Anne Lucas
Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2007 11:55 AM
To: midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: MS & Vista

I have had some interesting and painful discussions with IBM over the
past week regarding Vista and iSeries Access.  Specifically regarding
V5R1, V5R2.  IBM has given me a couple of websites I'd be glad to share
with anyone along with the notes on this one customer situation....if it
will help.  Just let me know!


.....Anne

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Today's Topics:

   1. DBAs and iSeries (was: Creating dds source from SQL Tables)
      (PaulMmn)
   2. Re: Experiences with VISTA (Mark Allen)
   3. RE: Experiences with VISTA (Lukas Beeler)
   4. Re: DBAs and iSeries (was: Creating dds source from SQL
      Tables) (Michael Ryan)
   5. Re: Linux in a sub-system? (Al Barsa)
   6. Re: V5R3-V5R4 Updated Problem (Al Barsa)


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message: 1
date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 23:36:56 -0500
from: PaulMmn <PaulMmn@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
subject: DBAs and iSeries (was: Creating dds source from SQL Tables)

<vent>

I should hope we're non-standard!  I've been going around and around
with a software vendor that keeps insisting that I need to tell our DBA
to run the "Database Optimization Tool" they provide--  it uses the
RUNSTATS process to rebuild file indices, gather statistics, and
otherwise clean up the database.

I keep telling them that the iSeries doesn't -have- a RUNSTATS command,
it doesn't -need- a RUNSTATS command, and that I -am- the DBA.

Well, I'm the closest thing to a DBA we have on the iSeries machines.

Now as far as I can determine, RUNSTATS does exist for DB2 on -other-
platforms...  but all we do on the iSeries is a RGZPFM from time to
time.  But try and convince non-iSeries people that we have a better
way...

*sigh*

</vent>

--Paul E Musselman
PaulMmn@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx





Loyd wrote (in part):

Unlike Oracle and SQL server, I do not need to gather statistics,
rebuild existing indexes, manage table spaces, or have headaches when
updating server hardware. Does this make DB2 on our beloved box a
non-standard database?





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message: 2
date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 02:52:05 -0500
from: "Mark Allen" <scprideandms@xxxxxxxxx>
subject: Re: Experiences with VISTA

Windows XP and Office 2003 are the last MS products that will be put on
any computer of mine, I tracked my time yesterday at work (slow day) and
I lost approx 1 hr total of "productive" time due to:

1.  The lovely I am MS Word I will reformat you document as you type
cause I know all including what you want to do.

2.  Window focus changes as your typing

3.  3 reboots/lockups

4.  Install updates (AGAIN!!!!!)

Sorry MS is total BS, why does anyone even consider it a multi tasking
OS, its still a single user OS with a windows front end, so it "looks"
like its doing more than 1 thing

On 2/16/07, Paul Nelson <nelsonp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:


I rest my case.  :-))

Paul Nelson
Cell 708-670-6978
Office 708-425-4198
nelsonp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx

-----Original Message-----
From: midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jim Franz
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 8:18 PM
To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion
Subject: Re: Experiences with VISTA

The December svc pack for latest iSeries Access has the Vista support.
IBM has an apar on it in the iSeries Access home page.
http://www-03.ibm.com/servers/eserver/iseries/access/
btw - i went to the MS Roadshow - 4 hours - we averaged 1 crash/reboot



per hour for what they were trying to demo. But did get a cd good for
free download of Office 2007.
jim franz

----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Nelson" <nelsonp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: "'Midrange Systems Technical Discussion'"
<midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 7:45 PM
Subject: RE: Experiences with VISTA



Have you got a 5.4 box? You can reach inside and upgrade your PC
from
there:

/QIBM/ProdData/CA400/Express/Install/Image/setup.exe

You will have a version with the service packs applied up to where
your System i machine is at in terms of PTF's. Good luck. I'm going
to wait a year for a Vista machine

Paul Nelson
Cell 708-670-6978
Office 708-425-4198
nelsonp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx

-----Original Message-----
From: midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of derhamj
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 6:35 PM
To: MidRange-L
Subject: Experiences with VISTA

Got a new laptop yesterday with Vista and Office 2007. Has loaded
all my business applications and WDSC just fine but it did not like
iSeries Access V5R2. Is there a new download available or does
anyone know of any other solutions to this problem.  Just feel I
absolutely need iSeries Access.



Jack Derham

Direct Systems, Inc

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message: 3
date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 11:54:21 +0100
from: "Lukas Beeler" <l.beeler@xxxxxxxxxxx>
subject: RE: Experiences with VISTA

If your windows machines crashes three times during a day, then the
problem is most likely NOT windows.

a) Faulty Hardware (most likely your RAM, memtest86)
b) Virus/Spyware (check your security strategy)

Security Fixes once per month isn't that bad. And Microsoft Word is a
tool you will need to learn how to use it. You can't use it the same way
as an 8 year old Lotus Office Suite, or like OfficeVision/400. You will
need to learn on how to use such a tool to your advantage.

Save for some special circumstances, there's no real alternative to
Windows as a Desktop, and even Server OS for managing your Desktops. I
suggest you to learn to work with this platform, and learn to workaround
all those quirks.

Every platform has it's fair share of problems. i5/OS can't change the
link speed of an ethernet card while the interface is up, it can't do
full saves while the system is operating, and so on.

Just learn to deal with it.


-----Original Message-----
From: midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Mark Allen
Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2007 8:52 AM
To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion
Subject: Re: Experiences with VISTA

Windows XP and Office 2003 are the last MS products that will be put on
any computer of mine, I tracked my time yesterday at work (slow day) and
I lost approx 1 hr total of "productive" time due to:

1.  The lovely I am MS Word I will reformat you document as you type
cause I know all including what you want to do.

2.  Window focus changes as your typing

3.  3 reboots/lockups

4.  Install updates (AGAIN!!!!!)

Sorry MS is total BS, why does anyone even consider it a multi tasking
OS, its still a single user OS with a windows front end, so it "looks"
like its doing more than 1 thing

On 2/16/07, Paul Nelson <nelsonp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:


I rest my case.  :-))

Paul Nelson
Cell 708-670-6978
Office 708-425-4198
nelsonp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx

-----Original Message-----
From: midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jim Franz
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 8:18 PM
To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion
Subject: Re: Experiences with VISTA

The December svc pack for latest iSeries Access has the Vista support.
IBM has an apar on it in the iSeries Access home page.
http://www-03.ibm.com/servers/eserver/iseries/access/
btw - i went to the MS Roadshow - 4 hours - we averaged 1 crash/reboot

per

hour for what they were trying to demo. But did get a cd good for free



download of Office 2007.
jim franz

----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Nelson" <nelsonp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: "'Midrange Systems Technical Discussion'"

<midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>

Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 7:45 PM
Subject: RE: Experiences with VISTA



Have you got a 5.4 box? You can reach inside and upgrade your PC

from

there:

/QIBM/ProdData/CA400/Express/Install/Image/setup.exe

You will have a version with the service packs applied up to where

your

System i machine is at in terms of PTF's. Good luck. I'm going to

wait a

year for a Vista machine

Paul Nelson
Cell 708-670-6978
Office 708-425-4198
nelsonp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx

-----Original Message-----
From: midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of derhamj
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 6:35 PM
To: MidRange-L
Subject: Experiences with VISTA

Got a new laptop yesterday with Vista and Office 2007. Has loaded

all my

business applications and WDSC just fine but it did not like iSeries



Access V5R2. Is there a new download available or does anyone know
of any

other

solutions to this problem.  Just feel I absolutely need iSeries

Access.




Jack Derham

Direct Systems, Inc

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message: 4
date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 08:37:05 -0500
from: "Michael Ryan" <michaelrtr@xxxxxxxxx>
subject: Re: DBAs and iSeries (was: Creating dds source from SQL
        Tables)

runstats and reorg sure do exist on our Windows UDB implementation
that's part of our Websphere Commerce System than runs on Windows.
Two-tiered, with Apache, WAS and WCS on one system, and UDB on a
different system. And when everything is right - it flies. But if you
don't run runstats and reorg on a regular basis, database access will
become so slow that it's not functional. Taking minutes for a simple
select.

On 2/16/07, PaulMmn <PaulMmn@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

<vent>

I should hope we're non-standard!  I've been going around and around
with a software vendor that keeps insisting that I need to tell our
DBA to run the "Database Optimization Tool" they provide--  it uses
the RUNSTATS process to rebuild file indices, gather statistics, and
otherwise clean up the database.

I keep telling them that the iSeries doesn't -have- a RUNSTATS
command, it doesn't -need- a RUNSTATS command, and that I -am- the
DBA.

Well, I'm the closest thing to a DBA we have on the iSeries machines.

Now as far as I can determine, RUNSTATS does exist for DB2 on -other-
platforms...  but all we do on the iSeries is a RGZPFM from time to
time.  But try and convince non-iSeries people that we have a better
way...

*sigh*

</vent>

--Paul E Musselman
PaulMmn@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx





Loyd wrote (in part):

Unlike Oracle and SQL server, I do not need to gather statistics,
rebuild existing indexes, manage table spaces, or have headaches when
updating server hardware. Does this make DB2 on our beloved box a
non-standard database?



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message: 5
date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 09:44:32 -0500
from: Al Barsa <barsa@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
subject: Re: Linux in a sub-system?


Yes, it's possible.  I think it's always been around.

Al

Al Barsa, Jr.
Barsa Consulting Group, LLC

400>390

"i" comes before "p", "x" and "z"
e gads

Our system's had more names than Elizabeth Taylor!

914-251-1234
914-251-9406 fax

http://www.barsaconsulting.com
http://www.taatool.com
http://www.as400connection.com





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List,

I was told yesterday by an IBM business partner that it is possible to
run
Linux in a sub-system in a stand-alone system, not requiring a separate
LPAR. Is this accurate? If so, when was this available?

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Systems Programmer / DBA
Computer Credit, Inc.
640 West Fourth Street
Winston-Salem, NC  27101
336-761-1524
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message: 6
date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 09:47:15 -0500
from: Al Barsa <barsa@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
subject: Re: V5R3-V5R4 Updated Problem


Only the power scheduler is involved.  These are totally different
schedulers, despite the confusion.  The power scheduler starts you from
a
powered down state, whereas the job scheduler requires the system to be
running.

Al

Al Barsa, Jr.
Barsa Consulting Group, LLC

400>390

"i" comes before "p", "x" and "z"
e gads

Our system's had more names than Elizabeth Taylor!

914-251-1234
914-251-9406 fax

http://www.barsaconsulting.com
http://www.taatool.com
http://www.as400connection.com





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So, anyone upgrading from V5R3 should save QDFTJOBSCD b4 the upgrade
and,
if necessary, restore it to the system at V5R4?


-----Original Message-----
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Subject: Re: V5R3-V5R4 Updated Problem


Hi John

I've restored V5R2 job schedule entries to a V5R4 machine with no
problem so my advice would be that you should be OK.

You can always save the V5R4 *JOBSCD object beforehand anyway.

Regards
Evan Harris

At 05:20 a.m. 15/02/2007, you wrote:


Hello,

We did an R3-R4 upgrade over the weekend, and I just now realized that

all

of our Job Schedule Entries are gone! Fortunately, we have a backup,

but
it

is at V5R3. Does anyone know if it's safe to restore R3 job schedule

entries

onto R4?


Regards,

John Taylor
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