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I prefer the 5580 feature in a RAID environment. That gives you the 757MB write cache and 1GB read cache with the cache backed up. I've gone through 2 RAID card failures with clients that lost large caches and required a total system restore. I don't ever want to do that again. You might want to look at a mirrored solution using larger drives. Mirroring provides a higher protection level than RAID. Kendall Kinnear Consulting System i5 Architect Stonebridge Phone: 214-676-3146 email: kendall.kinnear@xxxxxxxx Sent from Windows Mobile 5 -----Original Message----- From: "ChadB@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx" <ChadB@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: "Midrange Systems Technical Discussion" <midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: 5/2/06 11:02 AM Subject: RE: DASD arm worksheets Thanks for the detail! Any thoughts on the 40mb cache controllers vs. the 757mb cache controllers? We're around a 200 user Domino shop and a Websphere App Server shop (with very light usage). The 2757 controller made a huge positive impact in performance for Domino, but the previous card was a 5702 with NO cache at all. "Kendall Kinnear" <Kendall.Kinnear@ SBTI.com> To Sent by: "Midrange Systems Technical midrange-l-bounce Discussion" s@xxxxxxxxxxxx <midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx> cc 05/02/2006 11:34 Subject AM RE: DASD arm worksheets Please respond to Midrange Systems Technical Discussion <midrange-l@midra nge.com> IBM has changed to a I/O per second calculation for sizing disk on the newer models. The way I do it is to collect performance data to determine the current average I/Os per second. I then add a growth factor and multiply that by the number of drives on the system. I then divide that number by the number of I/Os per second the new disk subsystem can support per drive. That can be anywhere from 40 to 60 depending on how conservative you want to be. This will give an estimate of the number of drives to propose. Kendall Kinnear Consulting System i5 Architect Stonebridge Phone: 214-676-3146 email: kendall.kinnear@xxxxxxxx Sent from Windows Mobile 5 -----Original Message----- From: "ChadB@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx" <ChadB@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: "Midrange Systems Technical Discussion" <midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: 5/2/06 10:13 AM Subject: DASD arm worksheets Does anyone know if IBM still publishes the "DASD Arms Required for Performance" type worksheets for the i5 models? I've used them in the past as an additional measure of insurance when designing a new system, but the last time I used one was for an 800. We're starting to spec out a new 520 to replace the 800 and with the Domino and Websphere workloads I KNOW we've had disk arm/controller issues in the past, so I want to ensure a good config. The 800 was originally spec'ed by the previous admin/BP with a 5702 controlling 6 mirrored drives and the box performed horribly. I got it switched over to a RAIDed 2757 and made a positive impact (and want that to carry over to the new box!). In addition to the DASD arms worksheet, i'm looking for some input on the 757mb cache and 40mb cache RAID controllers available for the i5s. We're hoping to keep this box to just a system enclosure and I think with the 520s all the 757mb controllers are not permitted in the system enclosure. Is this true? If so, i'm wondering how a 40mb controller will fare in comparison to the current 2757 (757mb cache) we're running. I would hate to take a step backwards on the disk cache... 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