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Re: Shutting Down prior to moving iSeries

Several years back I worked for a software firm that had three [3] iSeries boxes: 150, 170, and 600. We moved at least twice while I was working for them. I would put two of them (the 150 and 170) in the back seat of my pickup (not the bed, obviously) with the seat belt wrapped tightly around them. Made sure to avoid the potholes (hard to do in Nashville). Those puppies always came back.
Having said (and done) that, my own preference, too, would be for a professional move by IBM (or a similarly competent agent) and the moving company of their choice. Our business wasn't going to sink into the sunset if we had to go out and buy a couple of replacements or wait for parts. My current situation couldn't take such a hit; could yours? Murphy's a son-of-a-bitch. 


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ChadB@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:


To me, paying IBM to perform these types of major tasks is very much like
paying for insurance... you probably/hopefully won't need it and have saved
yourself some money, but it's essential to have when things go bad.
"Rick Aguiar" <E-Tech@xxxxxxx> Sent by: To midrange-l-bounce "'Midrange Systems Technical s@xxxxxxxxxxxx Discussion'" <midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx> cc 03/09/2006 01:32 PM Subject RE: Shutting Down prior to moving iSeries Please respond to Midrange Systems Technical Discussion <midrange-l@midra nge.com> 



It comes down to the size of the host...

820, 825, 520 550 no worries..
Larger host like 870, 890 maybe this is best moved by someone with
experience.

We move and cable many host with no errors... The recommendations of SAVSTG
and SAV21 are the way to go to protect yourself from hardware failures as
well as the IP info... I agree with all..

I too have a problem paying IBM to something that is fundamentally simple
depending on the complexity of your host system.

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Larry Bolhuis
Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 11:58 AM
To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion
Subject: Re: Shutting Down prior to moving iSeries

Frankly I would reconsider IBM for the move.

When they move it they:
   Assure that everything is working now.
   Assure that all system level cables (i.e. HSL, SPCN, Console and
such) are properly labeled)
   Remove and pack those cables.

   Let the movers do their thing.

   Be with you at the new site when the system arrives.
   Re-connect the system level cables.
   Make sure everything comes up. If they need parts they are already
there
to order them.

So. Do these fail much? No.  I have seen CEs pulling their hair out for
hours though. I've seen a system nearly go off a stairway (within 6
inches!).  I've seen a system get most of the way up a ramp and a mover
slip
and down it went, coasting over 50 feet before they got it whoad up.. I've
had the movers go the wrong way (south instead of north!) I've seen one
arrive with a fork lift fork shaped hole in the box right into the system
unit.  I've seen one arrive with a smashed control panel (Mr Fork lift
again)  I saw a trucker get her foot ridden over on the way to her truck!
The system was loaded and ready to go. She went to the hospital with a
badly
sprained foot while IBM got a replacement truck for the move. If it can go
wrong, it likely will.

Of course most of them I've seen take the ride and come right up as if
nothing ever happened. They are pretty robust.

It does matter how much time you have of course. If you can wait for them
to
show up and have the battle with the movers over who's fault it is then you
are OK.

In any case it's your call all the way around, but you get what you pay
for.....

 - Larry

Norbut, Jim wrote:

Hi All,

We are going to be moving our 9406 next month to a new location and
have all the plans set as far as moving it to the new spot about 30
miles away.
Movers/Insurance all taken care of.

IBM was more than willing to help us.....and we were intrigued until
they said how much it "potentially" would cost :) We figured the
figure they quoted us was the "low end".

We have 24/7 Coverage on the iSeries....so if something decides to not
spin up or something "breaks" we can just call if/when it comes to
that on the Friday night/Saturday when we turn it back on.

I called up IBM inquiring about any special shutdown procedures we
should be aware of prior to the move but they said other than due
diligence there is no real checklist to follow.

There is no need to worry about parking the drive heads or anything
like that with these machines like you used to have to worry about.

So that seems to me to say:

A) Do a full backup (potentially 2) and keep the backup(s) with me.
B) Do the PWRDWNSYS command with no startup
C) Label all the cables (where they go.....where they came from)

Does anybody have any other suggestions ?

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