RE: Say Hello to IBM System i5! -- MIDRANGE-L

I have a 'Born To Type' tattoo on my arm...

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> Subject: Re: Say Hello to IBM System i5!
> From: pnelson@xxxxxxxxxx
> Date: Thu, February 02, 2006 11:57 am
> To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion <midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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> <<The 
> dumb terminal (3197 etc.) is an interface.>>
> 
> And it doesn't have a mouse. That's one of the biggest problems that the 
> newbies have with software. Only the truly gifted among us can handle the 
> command line interface.   :-))
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> 
> Paul Nelson
> Arbor Solutions, Inc.
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> Jerry Adams <jerry@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> 
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> But the iSeries can do the nice GUI.  Trevor's done that many times, and 
> so have many others.  The 5250 data stream is not an interface.  The 
> dumb terminal (3197 etc.) is an interface.
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> 
> You want GUI?  Use webfacing.  Or LookSoftware.  Or whatever.  It takes 
> the data stream and makes it GUI.
> 
> 
> I'm not a Windows system designer, but my guess (and I'm sure I'll be 
> corrected here if I'm wrong or incomplete) is that graphical interfaces 
> aren't done via magic (though some kind of sorcery may be involved) but 
> a mapping algorithm. 
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> 
>                  * Jerry C. Adams
> *iSeries Programmer/Analyst
> B&W Wholesale Distributors, Inc.* *
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> Keith Carpenter wrote:
> 
> >Yet given all that, it's the interface that leaves the biggest
> >impression.  5250 is killing the AS400/iSeries/i5 (and these name
> >changes aren't helping).
> >
> >
> >Keith
> >
> >
> >
> >michael@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
> > 
> >
> >>And another point...if you think about improvements and changes to a
> >>system, I don't think there's a system out there that's had more
> >>changes than an iSeries. Using virtualization from the mainframe and
> >>UNIX shells from UNIX and the ability to host multiple OS's (ala VM),
> >>the iSeries has had more changes than any system I know of, except
> >>maybe for mainframes.
> >>
> >> 
> >>
> >>>-------- Original Message --------
> >>>Subject: Re: Say Hello to IBM System i5!
> >>>From: Jerry Adams <jerry@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>>Date: Thu, February 02, 2006 10:41 am
> >>>To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion <midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>>
> >>>I realize that Unix is an operating system and that SQL is a language, 
> >>>but I recall hearing about both of those back in the 70's when I 
> started 
> >>>out. 
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>My point being:   Unix and SQL are both legacy products.  Which would 
> >>>make Oracle, SQL Server, AIX, Linux (a Unix wannabe), and their ilk all 
> 
> >>>legacy.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>That is not to say that any of these have stood still; to the best of 
> my 
> >>>knowledge there have been incremental improvements to each.  Just as 
> >>>there have been incremental improvements to the AS/400 -> iSeries -> 
> i5.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>So the next time some eunuch (pardon me, Unix) 'guru' or SQL (any 
> >>>variety)  wiz kid throws the word 'legacy' into a conversation 
> regarding 
> >>>the iSeries, just look 'im in the eye and with a condescending look 
> say, 
> >>>'You're sh*****g me.  Right?'
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>And, just for the record, Bell Labs invented Unix, and IBM invented 
> >>>SQL.  Not Oracle, not Microsoft, not Sun.  And who leads the world in 
> >>>patents again?  It sure ain't Oracle, or Microsoft, or any of those wiz 
> 
> >>>kids' favorites.  I don't have any idea how many have been used in the 
> >>>iSeries, but certainly quite a number.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>              * Jerry C. Adams
> >>>*iSeries Programmer/Analyst
> >>>B&W Wholesale Distributors, Inc.* *
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> >>>              615.995.7024
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> >>>              jerry@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:jerry@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>fbocch2595@xxxxxxx wrote:
> >>>
> >>> 
> >>>
> >>>>It's easy to lump all IBM machines, whether mainframe or midrange, as 
> legacy, don't you think? 
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>-----Original Message-----
> >>>>From: Keith Carpenter <carpcon@xxxxxxx>
> >>>>To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion <midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>>>Sent: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 09:21:54 -0800
> >>>>Subject: Re: Say Hello to IBM System i5!
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>The large consulting firms who recommend new systems just call it 
> legacy.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>Jeff Crosby wrote:
> >>>> 
> >>>>
> >>>> 
> >>>>
> >>>>>>Whatever the name, 
> >>>>>>seems I always end up having to use "AS/400" as part of the 
> >>>>>>definition. 
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>Not to mention that even the Rochester IBMers refer to it as AS/400 
> to this
> >>>>>day.  They are in conversations with me this very morning.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 
> >>>>>
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