Re: OS/400 i5/OS

[Don <dr2@xxxxxxxx>]

Al,

I still recall when Gerstner showed up at the opening session of COMMON in 
San Antonio.  One of the actual
few that actually got to ask questions begged for more IBM attention in the 
education space...people have been
begging ever since...

Perhaps IBM needs to break out all those old signs that said THINK and put 
them back on their desks...and
right beside them put one that says LISTEN .

I've spoken with several educational facilities and have heard very simular 
stories...even got a interesting call once from
the tech college in ROCHESTER MN...asking if they should be teaching AS/400 
since they couldn't make minimum enrollment
to have classes make...but they could FILL rooms with Cisco, Windows, etc....

I think there's an 8a firm that's subcontracting as instructors up in 
Frederick, MD, but I'm not aware of anyone else in the DC/Bali/VA/MD/DC 
areas that's teaching i5/os (or whatever) as part of their program.  The 
education community is way past the tipping point in their change of opinion of
i5/os...tipping this back IN FAVOR of i5/os is going to take alot of time, 
resources and probably a full generation of IT management change.


People bring to the work place the skill sets they learn in school.  This 
is what they hire/buy/promote.  THINK   LISTEN.

...but then, IBM is a "services" company now...and I'm sure they could 
maximize their revenue stream more by promoting lesser system
environments that actually require more "services" due to thier inadequate 
design....

Don in DC
iSeries Bigot at large... :)


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At 09:30 AM 11/30/2005 -0500, you wrote:

> Clearly, IBM has lost most college mindshare with EBCDIC computing, due to
> years of marketing neglect.  I learned mainframe computing at RPI in the
> 70's.  My son now goes there, and it is no longer taught.  I asked the Dean
> of the School of Science why no EBCDIC computing, and his response was "Why
> would you want to teach that?  You would have to be IBM to use it."
>
> The mindshare loss is creeping into low end customers.  High end customers
> that try to move off of the platform frequently fail, at great expense,
> although a few do succeed.
>
> I have several customers that have tried to move, and failed.
>
> The good news is that IBM is increasing their marketing budget several
> fold.  Tongue in cheek, 10 times 0 =? :)))))))))
>
> Al
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> Personally, I don't think it matters what you call it.  People are coming
> out of college without even knowing what an AS/400 is, much less an
> iSeries.  My last year of college (3 years ago), I worked as a computer
> operator and it was the first time I'd seen an AS/400.  I remember asking
> on my first day why we were still using old outdated technology (or
> something along those lines).  The reason I thought that was because it
> was all text-based.  So call it whatever you want, because imo, with the
> green screen, anybody new to the industry will see it as old technology.
>
> We have an iSeries now and with the exception of a few people in IT, I
> don't think anybody sees a difference between the two systems except for
> maybe increased speed.
>
> Mike
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> midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx wrote on 11/29/2005 07:39:59 PM:
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> > One of my customers recently had a board meeting (board members elected
> > from the membership).  During the meeting the new chief PITA in the
> > group, a PC bigot demanded that the organization immediately make plans
> > to dump the AS/400 for something more modern. "It's old green screen
> > only crap and has long since outlived it's usefulness."  The VP IS
> > replied that they had replaced the AS/400 with an eserver i5 a year ago
> > and they are now using an all web interface. (The same interface that
> > had been running on the AS/400 for two years by that time!)  They guy's
> > response was "About Time!"  Gotta love a good name change.
> >
> > AS/400 must die.
> >
> >  - Larry
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