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RE: SavSys21/power failure/pwrdwnsys *immed

My hunch is that you cannot send a message in a restricted state.  I
certainly have experimented with this during my save-while-active testing,
and it failed.

Al

Al Barsa, Jr.
Barsa Consulting Group, LLC

400>390

"i" comes before "p", "x" and "z"
e gads

Our system's had more names than Elizabeth Taylor!

914-251-1234
914-251-9406 fax

http://www.barsaconsulting.com
http://www.taatool.com
http://www.as400connection.com



                                                                           
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Allocate the UPS message queue.  CHGMSGQ UPSMSGQ *BREAK  (provided your
UPS monitoring message queue is call UPSMSGQ)

Then start the save 21.  Or customize the QMNSAVE to allocate the
message queue.


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-----Original Message-----
From: midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jerry Draper
Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 1:09 PM
To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion
Subject: Re: SavSys21/power failure/pwrdwnsys *immed

I heard this is a flaw in the AS400 OS and that IBM has NO way to handle
this
situation.  I heard that AS400 shops have had to defer to other systems
to
monitor UPS.

Bottom line is that the AS400 does not seem capable of monitoring UPS
status
during a restricted state condition.

Anyone else?

Jerry

Quoting Al Barsa <barsa@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>:

>
> I don't know, but I think that Jim is considering improving this tool
based
> on customer requests.  I have copied him on this response.  He is
currently
> on vacation, so it may take a few days.
>
> Al
>
> Al Barsa, Jr.
> Barsa Consulting Group, LLC
>
> 400>390
>
> "i" comes before "p", "x" and "z"
> e gads
>
> Our system's had more names than Elizabeth Taylor!
>
> 914-251-1234
> 914-251-9406 fax
>
> http://www.barsaconsulting.com
> http://www.taatool.com
> http://www.as400connection.com
>
>
>
>

>              Jerry Draper

>              <midrangel@trilos

>              oft.com>
To
>                                        Midrange Systems Technical

>              11/29/2005 01:24          Discussion

>              PM                        <midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>, Al
Barsa
>                                        <barsa@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>

>
cc
>

>
Subject
>                                        Re: SavSys21/power

>                                        failure/pwrdwnsys *immed

>

>

>

>

>

>

>
>
>
>
> I looked over the TAATOOLS specs and they are similar.
>
> Germane question is:  When running a SavSys21 and the system goes into
a
> restrictive state my UPS monitor pgm is ended so I have to fly blind
until
> the
> SavSys21 is complete to avoid the pwrdwnsys *immed situation.
>
> Does TAATOOLS get around this issue?
>
> Jerry
>
> Quoting Al Barsa <barsa@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>:
>
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > You may find this tool helpful:
> >
> > http://www.taatool.com/document/L_upsmon.htm
> >
> > You will note that the documentation for coding to these system
values
> had
> > both logic and syntax errors in all releases before V5R3.  I haven't
> > checked V5R3 yet.
> >
> > Al
> >
> > Al Barsa, Jr.
> > Barsa Consulting Group, LLC
> >
> > 400>390
> >
> > "i" comes before "p", "x" and "z"
> > e gads
> >
> > Our system's had more names than Elizabeth Taylor!
> >
> > 914-251-1234
> > 914-251-9406 fax
> >
> > http://www.barsaconsulting.com
> > http://www.taatool.com
> > http://www.as400connection.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> >              Al Mac
>
> >              <macwheel99@sigec
>
> >              om.net>
> To
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> >              midrange-l-bounce         Discussion
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> >
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> >              11/28/2005 06:46
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> >              PM                        Re: SavSys21/power
>
> >                                        failure/pwrdwnsys *immed
>
> >
>
> >              Please respond to
>
> >              Midrange Systems
>
> >                  Technical
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> >                 Discussion
>
> >              <midrange-l@midra
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> >                  nge.com>
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> >
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> >
>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Is there a collection of settings in Work System Values, other than
your
> > standard one, that permits the UPS to protect us if there is a short
> > duration power outage during a backup, or other restricted state
> scenario?
> >
> > If so, the answer is clear.
> > 1. CL to change the values from standard to restricted state needs.
> > 2. CL to run after the backup to revert to normal operations.
> >
> > I have noticed that there is other stuff that is stopped or delayed
> during
> > restricted state such as GO POWER and GO CLEANUP
> >
> > >We had a one second power failure blip that caused our system to do
a
> > >pwrdwnsys
> > >*immed with no ipl restart during an unattended GO SAVE option 21
> routine.
> > >
> > >That wrecked my weekend.
> > >
> > >We have a CL that runs constantly in QCTL that monitors the msg
queue
> > >specified
> > >in the system value QUPSMSGQ.  In this way we get complete control
of
> our
> > >system during a power failure.  We modified some CL we got from IBM
> > >Boulder for
> > >this purpose.  It works fine.  We can send messages, ignore short
power
> > blips,
> > >take the system down in a controlled way, etc. using this CL.
> > >
> > >The above problem occurs because the SavSys21 ends the monitor
program
> > when it
> > >takes the system into a restricted state even though its running in
> > >QCTL.  When
> > >the one second power blip occurs, the system discovers that the msg
> queue
> > >specified in QUPSMSGQ is NOT being monitored (true) and so causes a
> > pwrdwnsys
> > >*immed.
> > >
> > >How can the UPS be monitored during a SavSys12?
> > >
> > >Jerry Draper
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