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As I've watched this thread, I've started to wonder about the "Native Abstract Windowing Toolkit". This is supported on iSeries and uses VNC to PASE. More info at:

http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/infocenter/iseries/v5r3/ic2924/info/rzaha/nawt.htm

I have not pursued this myself, but maybe? This seems to be new with V5R3, with full support in the 1.4 JVM.

But this does not seem to address the interactive issue.

Vern

At 07:24 AM 8/23/2005, you wrote:

First, this conversation might better be served in Java400-L, but I'm
not going to argue if it stays here.

Second, please be precise in terminology.  Java is NOT a managed code
language.  "Managed code" is a Microsoft term specifically designed to
denote programs written to the CIL specification.  There are a number of
rigorous requirements that frankly most Microsoft languages don't meet
(hence managed and unmanaged VB, for instance).  Java doesn't meet any
of these requirements, even thought the JVM is an obvious precursor to
the CIL, so using the term "managed code" to describe Java is simply
wrong.

I won't get into the merits of Java display file I/O.  Since I think
Java is a bad language for business, I'm biased against the idea.  On
the other hand, Steve might have a point in that if Java were able to be
used for green screen programming, an additional segment of programmers
might try it.

Joe


> From: Steve Richter
>
> that is why I am claiming the interactive subsystem restrictions on
> the 400 is what is holding back the acceptance of Java.  As a managed
> code language it is too good not to be used.

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